^^ Right! It's not like I'm not concerned about these changes, but I'm just an optimistic person by nature. I always try to look on the bright side of things.

^^ yes, exactly! and this movie can't be all bad! there's sure to be something in it for everyone!

Of course it won't be all bad. I still have faith that I'm going to love it. I don't believe I've commented on this thread yet but I have been following it since it started. BOOOOOOOY it's a downer lol. I understand a lot of things have been changed from the book, and this upsets the fans.

I am going to wait and see the movie before I make my final judgement. Who knows? They could be clever enough to make all these things work. I am one of those people in the minority who liked the PC movie better than the book *ducks rotton tomatoes and daggers* It's possible (unlikely but still possible) that I will love these changes and maybe (and this is a big maybe) even like the movie better than the book. I wasn't on the forum before PC came out but I probably would've had some issues with some changes *coughsuspiancoughcough* if I'd have been dreading them for months before I actually saw them on screen. And yeah there are some things that I'm still not fond of in the movie but overall it's one of my favorites. I am pretty sure that in the end VDT will also be one of my favorites.

On another note, some of you are worried about Lucy's character. I encourage you to read this http://www.narniacharacters.com/lucy It looks pretty promising to me. The only thing I find really out of character is this

Lucy later insults King Caspian and Edmund in their srtuggles against temptation

I just don't think that sounds much like Lucy but it looks like it's a fleeting thing so I'm ok, I think.

Overall, I think it will be a great movie. Whether it's a good adaption... well that remains to be seen.

The only thing I find really out of character is this:

"Lucy later insults King Caspian and Edmund in their struggles against temptation."

I just don't think that sounds much like Lucy but it looks like it's a fleeting thing so I'm ok, I think.

@Aslan: A_Narnian_Ship pointed out the following in the "Voyage of the Characters" thread (Cast and Characters discussion) here on the forum. Have you forgotten the episode on Deathwater island?

In the book when Ed and Caspian start arguing over who's really the "higher" king, Lucy says ""Oh, stop it, both of you! That's the worst of doing anything with boys. You're all such swaggering, bullying idiots!"

On Edmund's profile it says that he refuses to acknowledge Caspian's authority at Goldwater. Isn't it supposed to be the other way around? Did anyone else notice that?

Is there any possibility that the promotional people at Fox are significantly playing up certain elements in the movie—the White Witch's appearance, the Dark Island, laying the swords at Aslan's feet—so the film will seem like a more "cohesive" tale, more like you might expect to find in a movie nowadays? Maybe they believe that will be a better theater draw than the original VDT plot, which perhaps think would be too hard to portray in a trailer (or too boring ) in a way that would intrigue and excite audiences?

I don't know even know if that's possible. Clips are clips, I guess.At this point I'm just hoping it's not as bad as we think it is. There IS a lot of positive stuff in these articles, but the bad stuff is just so bad. I am so completely confused at this point, the only thing I can logically think is that it's just a big misunderstanding somehow. Keeping my fingers crossed that that's the case, and still trying to stay positive about the film.

The only thing I find really out of character is this:

"Lucy later insults King Caspian and Edmund in their struggles against temptation."

I just don't think that sounds much like Lucy but it looks like it's a fleeting thing so I'm ok, I think.

@Aslan: A_Narnian_Ship pointed out the following in the "Voyage of the Characters" thread (Cast and Characters discussion) here on the forum. Have you forgotten the episode on Deathwater island?

In the book when Ed and Caspian start arguing over who's really the "higher" king, Lucy says ""Oh, stop it, both of you! That's the worst of doing anything with boys. You're all such swaggering, bullying idiots!"

I think I blocked it out That whole part confused me because it was so out of character for them. I do realize the were under a spell but it just seemed weird.

^^ You know, I was considering if this whole spoiler attack was just to draw the popcorn crowd to the movie (because fans will see it unless it's really bad.) But maybe it's all a marketing trick and the movie is better than we think it is and it all works out. That might be unethical and slightly twisted, but I hope that what's going on , lol.

I really think that this is how the film is going to be. There are some details we don't know enough about, but most of the major changes we had already guessed at. The collecting the seven swords, the evil mist, the battle of the dark island, Eustace fighting the sea serpent before he is undragoned. There are other sources that corroborate this information.

^^ You know, I was considering if this whole spoiler attack was just to draw the popcorn crowd to the movie (because fans will see it unless it's really bad.) But maybe it's all a marketing trick and the movie is better than we think it is and it all works out. That might be unethical and slightly twisted, but I hope that what's going on , lol.

That very well might be the case. It could be a great film. But is it a good Narnia film? Different question altogether for me. And it doesn't seem like a great film, period, so far to me.

I do admire those of you who can stay hopeful. It means a lot, actually, because I hate having to be on the side of pessimism.

That is the question clive. Is it a good Narnia film? I don't know yet. I am very forgiving of changes. If they get the undragoning right which it seems they haven't then that might be enough for me. I am going to write again what i wrote elsewhere.

I think with the undragoning what is important in the book is that Aslan comes to Eustace. Eustace is laying there and he is just lost and doesn't know what is going to become of him and he looks up and sees Aslan coming towards him.

It is Aslan that makes the first move. Eustace is completely lost and Aslan tells him to follow him and that he has to undress and then when he tries to do it himself that Aslan must do it for him.

In a way i think the real transformation happens after Aslan undragons him. When Eustace is a dragon he realizes that he has not been doing the right thing. He has not been behaving in the right way. It is like because he becomes a dragon he realizes that he was wrong all along, but not until Aslan undragons him does he start transforming into a new person.

It is very tricky and i am not sure if i am making sense, but i think Aslan has to make the first move. The transformation happens because of the undragoning and i am not sure if they get that.

To have Eustace change before he is undragoned i think is not good enough for me. That suggests that he deserves the undragoning because he has somehow become worthy and i don't think that is right.

I also don't like the idea that Reep has somehow become worthy to enter into Aslan's country.

To have Eustace change before he is undragoned i think is not good enough for me. That suggests that he deserves the undragoning because he has somehow become worthy and i don't think that is right.

I'm definitely no expert on matters like this, but isn't that what happens in the book? That Eustace's personality changes whilst he is a dragon?

Take the moment in the book where DragonEustace helps them carry logs to build a new mast to repair the storm damage, or where he flys up high to see what lies ahead on the ocean. Old Eustace would never have done such things.

From the sounds of things in the movie, DragonEustace is going to attempt to defeat the SeaSerpent himself, showing how (just as in those previous examples) that he is willing to put himself on the line to help the others (although in a slightly more dramatic visual fashion than merely carrying logs) but that he is ultimately going to be defeated and take a pretty heavy beating in the processes, possibly to within an inch of his own life (think of Edmund at the end of the LWW movie, where he risked his own life to break the witches wand, only to get stabbed as a result).

I think that would say an awful lot about the way his character has changed since being a dragon (which as i said before i don't believe is any different to the book) whilst not have him earn his undragoning through a heroic victory over the SeaSerpent.

(I believe the SeaSerpent itself will be defeated in the manner in which we heard about in the Rumors forum here and i'd pretty much agree with what Malfhok said in response to it here with regard to these new spoilers)

hmm, going to try and state my opinion in a way to not start a fight. Yeah. I'm nervous. A little. I love the books as much as the rest of you. But can I be a truehearted Narnia fan and confess that I think the changes (*MINUS* anything that has to do with Caspian/Susan, that's just dumb, k?) but I think the other changes are okay and hold up with what's important to Lewis in VotDT?

There's never going to be a perfect movie/book adaption. Right? You know they aren't going to do ANY book out there word for word. Right? Isn't what we've seen so far pretty much what is at the heart of the book? They *did* emphasis the temptation theme. But what does that matter? You need character growth. And the 'temptations' they chose are things they struggled with in the book. They *DID* add to the plot of the movie (i.e. a evil consuming Narnia) to the search for the Seven Lords. But they didn't *CHANGE* the plot. They only added an element of danger so that people are more concerned for Narnia.

Uh, yeah, the resurrected the Witch again. But actually, I always got the idea that Lewis thought of her as the ultimate badguy of Narnia. She was there in the first book, second, almost came back in PC (book) and she was mentioned in VotDT. She either *was* the LotGK or was so similar that it was just as if it were her. So, what's wrong with her coming back? It doesn't mean Aslan doesn't have the power to stop her. It just means, she's so evil she's trying to win so badly. I mean, the devil is like that. God's already defeated him and he still 'tries' to win. Why shouldn't the Witch?

Again, there's never going to be a perfect addaption. Adaptions like PC are just awful and pathetic. But are tweaks like what happens in VotDT that bad? It's in the spirit of the book. And... I feel like such a traitor. I love the books to death, but I feel like I'm wicked because I like what I'm seeing of this movie. I guess it's not a sin. So. Okay! It's not like it's God's word. I'm okay It's my own business if I like it or not. It's everyone else's business if they like it or not.

And again, that's only *my* opinion. And it doesn't count. I'm honestly not trying to step on anyone's toes. Or be rude. I'm just trying to say, hey, there's some good points. It's holding up what's important to the book this time. Aslan's there!

Any of you can go ahead and disagree with me. It's okay. But I'm not going to argue about it. it's not worth that. Anyhow, here is one fan dedicated to the Narnia books who also likes all the stuff I've seen in this movie! Long live Aslan!

As much as I'm nervous, I do realize that we can't make final judgments until we see the movie. Nonetheless, even after we have seen the movie, we will all have different opinions. And thats fine.

So far I'm not happy with the changes, and for a few days I wasn't excited to see the movie anymore. However, though I'm still nervous, worried, and a bit angry, I have become excited again to see the movie, for good or far bad.

I want to see all the changes in context and I want to see a good movie. But mostly I want to see an adaption of one of my childhood favorites, a book that has touched me so deeply. I remember how excited I was when I watched LWW and PC. I have never been excited for a movie like that. And now, VDt is only 67 days away. I can't wait to see it, even if the news we have recieved is a bit disheartening.

Disappointed though I am about some of the changes, I am still excited to see VDT, and I'll see it no matter what news we get.

The different thing with VDT than PC is that while PC was reconstructed to show the same story a different way, VDT has been added to. It may or may not turn out to be like PC.

I think some of these changes we have heard about are necessary, some of them shouldn't be. As for one change I like, I approve of (I'm going to put this in spoilers just in case)

I believe that they were fairly threatening in the book, and doing this could be something they just might do. I don't believe it goes against the book.

Uh, yeah, the resurrected the Witch again. But actually, I always got the idea that Lewis thought of her as the ultimate badguy of Narnia. She was there in the first book, second, almost came back in PC (book) and she was mentioned in VotDT. She either *was* the LotGK or was so similar that it was just as if it were her. So, what's wrong with her coming back? It doesn't mean Aslan doesn't have the power to stop her. It just means, she's so evil she's trying to win so badly. I mean, the devil is like that. God's already defeated him and he still 'tries' to win. Why shouldn't the Witch?

Because the Witch was not only defeated, she died in LWW. The only reason she could come back in PC was because the hag's magic called her up. I never got the impression before that she could be floating around on the Dark Island plotting about how to return to life.