okay, I know that everyone has varied opinions as to the White Witch's appearance in PC and VotDT, but I just thought of something:
in PC (the book), WW is mentioned and discussed and is almost called up by the hag and werewolf.
in the VotDT book, WW's knife is on Aslan's table on Ramundu's Island.
so, impliments from LWW are put in both PC and VotDT, so if WW actually is making appearances in the movies of PC and VotDT, she's already mentioned in the book so is it so bad?
and if Edmund's nightmare is WW on the Dark Island, then that might make the appearance of WW's knife on Ramundu's Island more meaningful (IMO)!
what do ya'll think?
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Yes she is mentioned but there aren't whole drawn out scenes with her. Having the knife she used to kill Aslan on a table and actually have her in it are two totally different things. I wish they didn't exaggerate her role in the books.
That`s an interesting theory. Having Ed see the knife conjures memories he would rather forget. Then such memories transpire and become nightmares. Actually, I thought that he was really on the ship and he was seeing an illusion. There is some funny mist swirling around the crew before the witch appears. There is a scene in the story when the crew and the kids are caught in bad storm and confronted by terrible visions or illusions . I haven`t read the book in a while. I`m going by what I remember in the BBC version. She could be a part of that scene. Oh well.. Who knows you very well could be right. It`s an interesting thought. I never considered that.
That`s an interesting theory. Having Ed see the knife conjures memories he would rather forget.
Did Edmund ever see the knife in LWW?
Edmund never saw the knife of stone, Susan and Lucy were the only witnesses of it. Edmund was only threatened to die on the stone table because of his treachery. No but I do believe it will have effect on Lucy since she's seen it.
Lucy and RD got into that conversation into the book where RD tells her "It was the same" (about the knife)
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^yes I think it will have more of an effect on Lucy than on Edmund. If they could do it right, I would like them to have a flashback when Lucy sees it.
I forgot that Ed never saw the knife before so yeah there would no significance there. As many times as I have seen LWW and PC , you would think I would have remembered that. Oh well.. I guess my own theory has the most likely hood of happening. I thought he was seeing an illusion while abroad the ship, with all that eerie mist floating around everyone. Isn`t there a scene in the book where the crew was plagued by terrible visions or illusions during a stormy night at sea ? I recall something like that happening if my memory serves me well. Sorry for going off topic a bit.
You're thinking of the Dark Island. We're assuming the Smoggy Day in China Island in the trailer is the Dark Island of the book. When the DT sailed into it, they found Lord Rhoop there and began to experience their worst nightmares coming to life. Aslan saved them in the form of an albatross.
Edmund may not have seen the knife, but the book does mention that he heard a knife being sharpened as his head was being forced back by the dwarf. This was right before he was rescued.
Your theory is interesting. But I agree that having the Witch's knife in the story is hardly enough reason to warrant an appearance from the character. But that's Hollywood for you. I don't think I'll mind too much if it's not overdone (and if the special effects aren't as silly as what we saw in the trailer).
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Just because Edmund has heard of the knife before doesn't indicate he knows precisely what it looks like. that's why I feel Lucy will have more of an inkling and shock when she first sees it. That is how it was in the book.
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Did Edmund ever see the knife in LWW?
In the movie, no, he did not. In the LWW book, however, it specifically mentions that the White Witch used the stone knife during the Battle of Beruna. Edmund fought her and destroyed her wand, so we can assumed that he would have seen the stone knife at that point. So, we can imagine that in the books, Ed would indeed recognize the knife... but in the movie, that won't be likely. Lucy should, though!
The white witch is mentioned in VDT, yes. Her knife is there, plain as day. But I don't think that should be license to put her in there. The knife is present as an ancient artifact, cold and dead; representative of the fact that the witch is long gone. Even the magic spell that puts to sleep the three lords isn't from the witch's power; they fell asleep because "it was a thing not meant for them to touch" (I think I'm quoting that right). I would think the sleeping spell derived either directly from Aslan, or perhaps from Ramandu. But now I'm just rambling... back to the point: her knife being in the movie shouldn't be an automatic ticket for WW to return. That's my opinion, anyway.
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I didn't remember WW using the stone knife in battle. I'm going to have to look that up again. It's ashame they didn't use it in the movie. But then again Edmund didn't seem to recognize it in the VDT book. hum...
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I think Edmund probably knew what it was because, as Brother Eustace pointed out, the WW does use it in the battle, as well as the night he gets rescued. However, it would have a lot more significance and meaning to Lucy because she saw Aslan killed with it. I think too that Edmund wouldn't react to it because C.S. Lewis really made it a point that Edmund had pretty much gotten over everything that had happened to him with the WW after he had the long talk with Aslan in LWW. The only things he kept in memory were the lessons he learned from his experience with her. (Hence him saying a traitor may mend in Horse and His Boy, believing Lucy in PC, telling Eustace he wasn't as bad as he was when he first came to Narnia in VTD, and wondering if they could trust the star's daughter in VTD). Anyway, I am rambling. I don't think having the WW's knife warrants her appearance because the scene is more about Aslan than about the WW. I always got the impression it was kept there as a sort of sacred relic. Plus, I don't think that was the reason they brought her back. They probably just wanted everyone to have nightmares and figured that Edmund would have nightmares about the WW.
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Edmundsdefender: Bother Eustace merely said Edmund saw it being used in battle in the book. Edmund in the movies has never seen it.
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I simply thought the knife was another clue-by-four religious relic. While Narnia does not have an organized religion with worship services or traditions, the truth is that Aslan is very much loved and followed.
So yes, since the knife is present, having a Jadis flashback is not totally out of place. I do not find it problematic. Now if Jadis herself were to show up, then that would alter the plot.