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Glumpuddle
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The teaser trailer for The Amazing Spider-Man got me thinking about the possibility of a Narnia reboot again.

Surprising no one, it appears that this version of Spider-Man will be darker, or at least take itself more seriously, than the 2002-2007 trilogy. They are also going to address what happened to Parker's parents, something the other films never even mentioned.
It makes sense that if you are going to reboot something, you should try to make it distinctly different from the previous version. Ang Lee's 2003 Hulk was almost an art film; the 2008 reboot was a straight-up action blockbuster. Batman Begins (2005) was lighter on action and humor, more psychologically complex, and more realistic than Tim Burton's Batman (1989).

If they rebooted Narnia, starting with The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe (blank slate: new cast, new crew, new everything), what are some ways they could make it distinctly different from Adamson's version? I'm not just talking about little things like the White Witch's hair. I mean fundamentally different.

The current poll on the homepage asks how you would feel if the series was rebooted. Vote now!

(By the way... Does the music at the beginning of the Spider-Man teaser sound familiar?) ;)


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Topic starter Posted : July 26, 2011 11:37 pm
Louloudi the Centaur
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Hmm... let's see.

How about they make the children "children", as in younger? If the film were to be successful, maybe that would help slow the quick aging process between the sequels. Besides, a lot of the human characters in the books are young. Instead of casting Peter as a 15 year old, how about a 12 or 13 year old? And maybe people would be happy Prince Caspian is a young boy, not some 26 year old who is supposed to look like a 17 year old? (No offense to the current and only movie Caspian so far.) :p

What else? I would think maybe the tone, but I'm having trouble with the tone level. First people complain PC is too dark, then people complain VDT the film is just for little kids. Well, what should the tone be? They want the same tone as LWW. I'm not sure about how the tone would be changed, but I know it would be changed.

However a possible reboot would be changed, I just beg the filmmakers not to modernize it, in time sense. That would just ruin the story.

Posted : July 27, 2011 4:15 am
Liberty Hoffman
(@liberty-hoffman)
NarniaWeb Master

it's way too early for a reboot. not to mention that if that did do a reboot, people would be confused because LWW, PC, and VotDT were just made. rebooting now would cause confusion and possibly less interest. I mean, even if people hate PC and VotDT, LWW was a huge favorite and it made tons of money and everyone liked it, the cast, and the production team. if anyone started over, they should at least wait another 5 years at the least.

just my two cents :D


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Posted : July 27, 2011 5:01 am
wolfloversk
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The Wandering, Wild & Welcoming Winged Wolf Hospitality Committee

For starters film them closer together...

Actually I had the idea film them as one and break them into parts... starting with LWW, then HHB (ending LWW after this), then MN as a flashback somewhere between PC, VDT, and SC... and then of course LB. There are a few problems though like not overworking the kids, and just how many parts/breaks there would be and where they would be... (maybe they could make a tv miniseries?) At least by the time the finished doing it this way it'd likely be time for a reboot XD

Secondly no Green Mist. No Suspian. And no giant cave of doom.

The one thing I wouldn't change ids how they structured PC chronologically...

But I'd pick a tone and stick with it... Not to dark, not to light.

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Posted : July 27, 2011 6:56 am
Shastafan
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NarniaWeb Guru

I agree with Wolfy on making them closer together, and Louloudi on making them the same ages as the characters, or at least as close as possible.

Also, I don't want a completely faithful adaption, but a mostly faithful one. Things like added-in romances and giant plot changess shouldn't even be considered, but small changes that help it become a great movie and great adaption can be. The main themes and hearts of the books must stay in there foremost. If the book's a darker one, don't lighten it up, make it as close to the darkness as possible. We don't want movies for 6-year olds or teenagers, but for familys/preteens/teens. And each theme, like longing and redemption, needs to stay as strong as ever, but not be too hidden or too preachy.

The books shouldn't be pushed to be like HP or any other popular fantasy series; the Narnia movies should pretty much be solely based on the books. But the movies should still have real quality. I don't want cheesy lines or stupid actions (like prideful Ed, for example). Instead, I want it to be realistic to the books and real life.

And please, it would be a dream to have movie makers, script writers, and directors that understand the books and have a deep love for them, like Jackson did for LOTR (or so I've heard :p ). If the movie feels lifeless and uncared for, I will be very sad. The Narnia movie staff must be enthusiastic and serious on what they're creating. Marketing needs to work very well, and no WW except in LWW and MN! Money should not be the main purpose of the crew, but making a great movie and adaption should be.

Maybe I'll post more later, but I'm sure everyone now thinks I'm really picky ( :p ). But one more thing is that I agree with Libby that should wait a couple years before rebooting the series. If the reboots are better than the movies before, though, I will agree it was worth it. :)


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Posted : July 27, 2011 8:12 am
The Rose-Tree Dryad
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For starters film them closer together...

Ditto to that!

Actually I had the idea film them as one and break them into parts... starting with LWW, then HHB (ending LWW after this)

I'm actually more receptive to that idea than I thought I'd be. If you shake things up by putting HBB in between LWW and PC, people should realize that this is not the kind of series where the Wardrobe kids will be around for seven films, and that you need to look at each book/film as an individual story. I never thought I'd want them to use Harper Collins' publication order, but in a reboot, I think it could be a good idea.

Now for my thoughts. . .

. . . Well, for me personally, dryads that aren't just glitzy special effects. . . .

*Cough* ;))

There are two things I think they should really focus on if they want the rebooted series to have longevity and be able to go seven movies: Aslan and the world of Narnia.

Those are the only two things that have a presence in all Chronicles, and people need to fall in love with them, need to want to revisit the Lion and his world. Aslan and Narnia should have the same pull for viewers that it has for the Pevensies, Eustace and Jill.

I think Aslan's character needs to be pretty much verbatim what it is in the books, and it should be clear that he's the true main character of the series. They shouldn't scrimp on his screen time, and shouldn't reboot the series until they can afford the CGI to do so. They also need to showcase what makes Narnia unique and special from other fantasy worlds. It really needs to be such that people want to go back to the movie theater just for the sake of seeing them again.

Unfortunately, creating that is not as simple as just saying make the movies darker, or lighter. You have to try to capture the indescribable magic and meaning that Lewis infused into the books, and that's no small task. But if future filmmakers start out with the intention of bringing the books to life with great attention Aslan, Narnia, and the themes and imagery of the books, I think they'd be on the right track.

. . . Now I want to watch the first two films again, with an eye to how I would remake them. ;))

Posted : July 27, 2011 8:23 am
emijoy
(@emijoy)
NarniaWeb Regular

I think the best way to reboot the Narnia movies would be to do SC and LB a few years from now. That way the idea would be to feature two different kids in Narnia- a rediscovery of Narnia for a new generation- instead of just going back and redoing LWW. Then there would be a Pevensie trilogy and two Jill/Eustace movies. The SC and LB could stand apart from the previous three (with allusions to VDT).
Eustace would have to be recast, but I think I it's bond to happen anyway. (-| Still, I think they could still have the original Pevensies appear at the end of LB.

Posted : July 27, 2011 8:48 am
icarus
(@icarus)
NarniaWeb Guru

If they were going to redo the whole series completely from scratch, i'd quite like to see them do something in the realm of Animation. Not like your typical generic animated 3D Dreamworks movie, but something genuinely artistically credible, like say a classic hand-drawn animation style that evokes the original book illustrations, or using stop-motion animation style similar to Tim Burton's Corpse Bride, or Wes Anderson's Fantastic Mr Fox movie.

Not only do you right off the bat sell yourself as being "different" to the previous series, but you also avoid a whole raft of the technical problems and financial limitations that have beset the current Narnia series. Going into the realm of animation would allow them to be much more creative visually, doing things they could never have afforded to do in Live Action, but at the same time would take alot of the pressure off many of the technical aspects of the filmmaking process, allowing them to focus much more on getting the story right.

Posted : July 27, 2011 8:51 am
wolfloversk
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The Wandering, Wild & Welcoming Winged Wolf Hospitality Committee

If they were going to redo the whole series completely from scratch, i'd quite like to see them do something in the realm of Animation

The only think I have against this is that Lewis didn't like the idea of a cartoon Aslan, and neither do I... But if they made him noble and respected like he is in the books, and "not a tame lion" I think it would work... If they did though I hope they'd go in the same direction as Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron and use a Digital/ Traditional mix.

But I have a feeling it will be a while 'til we see that. Gresham doesn't like the idea very much.

Edit! One other thing I'd rather Walden didn't make them if it they wouldn't consider a PG-13 rating for some... You could probably get around it but if it's between rating and adaptation... well you know where I stand. And if Fox had anything to do with VDT's runtime... well they can forget that idea. Narnia movies need to be long, there's just so much stuff.

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Posted : July 27, 2011 10:11 am
CorazonBandido55
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NarniaWeb Nut

I really hate the thought of a reboot. Its not like Walden made one film, and then gave up. Three films and 7 years have been invested into this franchise. Its not perfect, but its a great franchise (IMO).

But I suppose since we are on the subject (and since the option of a reboot is completely out of our control anyways) this is what I would like:

Just a darker series in general. It still needs to feel fantastical and magical, but quite honestly if I made these films then they would be like PG-13 and then it would lose its intended audience. So ya.. imagine the LWW battle with a dark cloudy overcast and grotesque looking Jadis minions with glowing red eyes and blood. I can see NarniaWebbers stoning me if I ever make a Narnia movie like that.

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Posted : July 27, 2011 12:23 pm
Savber100
(@savber100)
NarniaWeb Regular

To be honest, it's just too early to start thinking of a reboot.

But honestly if we have to "reboot", I would prefer Narnia to go for the TV route instead.

It fits the episodic, standalone nature, it gives plenty of breathing room with a running time beyond 2 hrs, and honestly with TV shows like Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead, and Battlestar Galactica, I think Narnia could be more effectively told through this format.

If you insist on a movie, then I would prefer a darker tone. I disliked the casual portrayal of war as something bloodless and grand in LWW as these kids from London just kill without so much as a blink of a eye. Prince Caspian hinted at it but just ended up feeling callous as Peter and Edmund hacked down hundreds of human beings without so much as a second thought later. Yes, I know they're fighting "bad guys" but that really doesn't take away the enormity of taking a life. If anything, this series just made the battles seem fun and cool. War and battle just isn't so grand when you have blood and wounds all over you.

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Posted : July 27, 2011 2:32 pm
Conina
(@conina)
NarniaWeb Junkie

I think we would need several years first before a reboot would work. It might confuse and alienate what remains of the audience to come out with a new LWW in 2013 or something.

I would like to see it rebooted in my lifetime. Hopefully with a greater focus on the world of Narnia rather than so much on just the kids. I'd like to see more of the little jokes from the books included. And I agree with Louloudi the Centaur a younger Caspian would help.

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Posted : July 27, 2011 6:33 pm
DamselJillPole
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NarniaWeb Fanatic

The first few Harry potter films were PG before they turned to PG-13 films so I don't think MPAA has anything to do with making a film worse or better.

To be honest I'll give another Narnia film a chance if they decide to do another one but if I feel it is not going to get better or make some more tremendous changes to the characters then I wont be supporting these films ever again. I dislike most of all seeing how Hollywoodized they made my favorite characters in the last two films and mostly dislike all the unnecessary fandoms going around, and I know it wont change anytime soon.

If these films do end up getting rebooted, I sincerely hope that someone who loves and appreciates these stories and characters how they are more then we all do ourselves then I'll be happy. They can add to the stories but I draw a fierce line of fire when characters are messed up. Do not mess or change the original characters! Keep them in character or I'll have to call the all mighty Canon-Keepers on you X(


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Posted : July 27, 2011 6:43 pm
stateofgreen
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NarniaWeb Junkie

I don't think they should reboot from the very beginning right now. Too early and fresh in people's minds as others have already mentioned and for me LWW was far too well done to warrant a new one right now.

The 2005 LWW was pretty near perfect for me. If they just start from where they are now trying to make better Narnia movies it would be far better than rebooting them. And staying as faithful to the remaining books as possible--a must!


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Posted : July 27, 2011 7:08 pm
Anhun
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The only think I have against this is that Lewis didn't like the idea of a cartoon Aslan.

How do you know Lewis didn't like the idea of a cartoon Aslan?

On to the main topic: Rebooting Narnia starting with LWW is not anything like rebooting a superhero series. LWW has a specific story, whereas, with superhero franchises there's a lot more license in story-telling, so you can really have a completely different movie. Also, when Walden LWW came out it was an instant classic. I just don't think people are ready to try a second helping when the first was so satisfying. They would need to wait until general audiences have forgotten the first Walden version, before any one can remake LWW.

As for remaking PC, given the weak source material, I thought the movie was pretty decent. Not worth remaking from an artistic standpoint. From a commercial standpoint, the book is unpopular, many people describe it as "the one you skip" when rereading the series. It's one thing to base a movie on an obscure book, but to base it on a poorly constructed book that few people would bother to read a second time, doesn't make sense.

On the other hand, I think rebooting starting from VDT would be an excellent idea. I personally would not be able to get excited about a remake of LWW or PC, but I would look forward to a remake of VDT with great pleasure. Walden took wild liberties with the book, so a remake could really be an entirely different movie. I think they should make it as a miniseries, and change the beginning a bit so that it doesn't rely on familiarity with PC for back story. Each island will be it's own episode, that way they could develop the emotional impact. They should probably change the title, so that it isn't confused with the big screen version.

Someone suggested doing HHB right after LWW. If they absolutely had to reboot starting from the beginning, I think this would make perfect sense in an animated series. However, if it's live action, the Pevensie and Caspian trilogies have to be made in quick succession, to avoid the actors' aging too much.

Posted : July 28, 2011 5:45 am
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