Ancientdomga...

You made me laugh harder than I have in a long time.

Wolfloversk, in your rating system, does a 10/10 mean "I was totally satisfied with the film", or "this was a flawless film"?

@Mino, Mixture of "Totally Satisfied," and "One of the best films I've ever seen!" As far as I'm concerned, flawless films do not exist. Also it has to be inspiring

Likewise a 1/1 would be "Totally dissatified" and "one of the worst movies I've ever seen" These would be the ones that make me think Why did I even watch that? As bad as it was in parts VDT never stooped anywhere near that low...

Well, I finally got to watch VoDT! I bought the DVD today. In general, I liked it. Of course, I'm upset it wasn't exactly like the book but I try not to let that get in the way of my enjoying a movie.

A few things I didn't like: of course the whole green mist thing and the White Witch coming back. Also, the CGI at the end when Lucy hugs Reepicheep was simply horrible in my opinion. Her hand on and in his fur looked very fake and pasted on and her hand looked to big in comparison to the rest of her and in comparison to Reepicheep's body. When her hand was on his body, he seemed much smaller than he'd been in previous scenes.

I also didn't like how short the movie was. I felt the movie length didn't do the voyage length justice. I don't have the books with me so I don't know how long the voyage was but I could take a stab at it from memory. It was a couple days from when the Pevensies and Eustace joined the Dawn Treader until they got to the Lone Islands. And then in one spot, when Eustace is journaling, he says something about provisions for two weeks and also sailing for sixteen days although everyone else says it was only fifteen. And they were in the Lone Islands for quite some time (a week or more???) and Lucy had enough time to buy lots of things. And then after the waves grew sweet, there were (I think, if my memory serves correctly) "days upon days" sailing and no one wanted to talk or eat or anything. (If someone has added up from the books and knows how long the voyage is, please tell me.)

The movie, I thought, made it seem like the whole voyage took place in under a week when in actually, I think it took at least a month probably longer in the book. That really annoyed me.

I really liked the credits. I loved how they had the original drawings from the books.

I liked Will Poulter as Eustace. He was so funny. However, I did think when he first came on the ship in a rage, his acting seemed to be a bit over-the-top. Almost like he was trying too hard to be angry and mad.

I wish Caspian's skin was darker. He was a lot more tan, I think, in PC. He looked way different in VoDT. I know a lot of people are disgruntled over him losing his accent but I see no reason why that's a "goof" or anything. He's been among mostly Narnians (granted, there were some Telmarines that stayed in Narnia) so I can see how he could lose his accent from being among people without that accent. People can lose accents very fast. I was on a two week mission trip with a girl from New Zealand who said that when she went back home, her friends all commented on how much she sounded like an American. She didn't lose very much of her accent of course, but her friends could tell that her speech was different. Anyway, so that didn't bother me at all.

I wish there had been more of Eustace's lines. I wish there was more of his whining about the British Consul (there was only one very short line referencing that) and I wish there was the whole scene with him swinging Reepicheep by the tail. I was also very looking forward to the scene where they push the dragon's tail off the ship ("don't fight, puuuush!") and there was none of that. And of course, all Reepicheep's usage of the word "poltroon". He didn't use that word once!!! And the scene in the Dark Island "do you hear that, like a big pair of scissors opening and shutting" "It's landed on the mast" "Shh, they're crawling up the sides"

Anyway, I was a bit disappointed but I tried not to let the differences get me down too much. I hope they do better on MN but I don't have too high of hopes.

I got the DVD...and I can't even get through the entire movie. Its boring me...
I'll have to sit down when I'm in a good mood and watch it all.
On a positive note, I love Eustace even more this time.

I still love it. I think Edmund is awesome; especially when he fought the sea serpant.

I saw it in English recently, and though it's still cool and all, I just realized how much I love PC and LWW more, VDT had some parts I liked....but I cringed and skipped more than I enjoyed. For me overall the movie is not the greatest but it has some good parts. I still think it is terrible (but that is just my personal opinion)

Having finally watched it for the second time last night, I can comfortably give it a 3. The entire movie is a mixed bag, with some parts/aspects I really liked and others that I most definitely didn't like. So overall, it's an okay movie. Not great or amazing, but not completely terrible either.

I have seen VotDT 4 times this weekend and I can't get enough! it's just so epic and everytime I watch it, I love it more! and it just keeps getting better!

I mentioned this on the chat, but I'm going to say it again here...

97% of all the problems in VDT can be attributed, in form, to 6 words:

"Prince Caspian and The Silver Chair"

I'd be interested to know more about what you mean, wolfloversk.

Just finished watching the movie on DVD. I still think it's mediocre and sometimes pretty silly. But the scenes that were closest to the book (the dufflepuds, the Deathwater Pool, Aslan's Table minus the swords, and a pretty good ending at the entrance to Aslan's Country) make the film worth owning. It still only gets a 3 from me though. I can only hope the next entry will be more satisfying. I don't want this franchise to settle for mediocre. The original stories are too good for that!

97% of all the problems in VDT can be attributed, in form, to 1 word:

Script-writers.

97% of all the problems in VDT can be attributed, in form, to 6 words:

"Prince Caspian and The Silver Chair"

How does that work? I don't follow that.

Warrior: Exactement!

My little sisters and I watched both VDT and PC together the other night. My sisters were in the "oh stop complaining it's just a movie" camp when the movie first came out. However, after watching PC right after VDT they (and I) were thunderstruck at how stark the difference in quality and storytelling was. One movie (VDT) asked you to just turn off your brain and let illogicalities fly by, while the other movie-- PC-- did a very good (if not perfect) job of trying to portray a fantastic world as reality.

Reepicheep was still annoying in both though. They need to fix that, still.

I'd be interested to know more about what you mean, wolfloversk.

Well for starters I'm sure we all know that the production drew from SC for the the green mist. (Although I disagree with their interpretation of events, but I'll get to that.) They felt, perhaps incorrectly, that the story needed a drive and a vilian so they looked to SC as their inspiration. And they were trying really hard to set up for it.

There are a few other elements, I realized after watching the dvd, that scream SC to me. The WW's eyes have been noted by others because they are extremely green. Another thing I thought about is the un-dragoning, how Eustace gets "teleported" to Ramandu's Island is not totally dissimilar to how they get "blown to Narnia" in SC. Different yes, but I'll be honest, if I were doing SC, I might approach a similar "teleportation" like thing in the beginning to cut-back on the cheesy-ness factor. In a way it's also similar to PC and how the children are "teleported/ called" to Narnia when the horn is blown.

To go on into PC- related problems. I opened a thread before that has long ago been locked from dis-use about how I think the movie makers were trying too hard to correct for the problems they encountered with PC's release. ( viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2443&p=124418 ). Don't you all remember how the general audience complained about the darkness and the violence in the movie. Stories of parents who were horrified at some of the battle sequences, parents who wouldn't let their kids see it in the theater, the overall discontent with a suppossed "lack of magic." Personally I think this got to the filmmakers and now they are over-correcting, completely ignoring what had been done in PC, trying to bring back the LWW- feel, but taking it to far and making it too "kiddy." I think this has been supported bye the advertising's focus on "Return to Magic," but in returning to the magic, they missed the reality- which was the most "magical" element of LWW, that Narnia felt real. Furthermore if you listen to the commentary the two biggest points that are brought up continually are how they tried to aviod the violence (ironically this came up in the Lone Islands scene) and how they tried to incorporate a sense of magic. They even said in the beginning how they used LWW as a basis of where to start, rather than PC. They tried too hard to make this film "kid-freindly" (they even said they were aiming at ages 5 and up, personally I think LWW is more suitible for 8 and up, that should have been their basis for both PC and VDT, but it was ignored twice) and as a result we have cheesy effects, cheesy lines, and preachy dialouge that you always see in kid's films (note I am establishing a differance between family film, such as LWW, and kid's flim, such as VDT or let's say The Young Black Stallion, or the child-focused Christian films.) which ultimately turns away the older fanbase, the same class that most NWers reside in (pre-teen/teen/young adult). In other words their effort to gain back the younger audience they lost in PC, resulted only in ostracising their older audience, and the accuracy in adaptation was severly damaged by their interpretation of SC (btw, ever notice just how "Hollywood standard following" kids films are? There is always a villian, and often a quick paced plot, also they are typiacally never longer than 2 hrs... sound familiar? )

And yes 100% of it has to do with the approach from production, but I think those are the two things that influenced that approach the most.

I was going to give it a 1, but I gave it a two because I loved Eustace/Reepicheep and the Aslan's Country Scene. However the pacing issues, the poor dialog, and the plot just bring it down for me. My opinion is the same as after I first watch it, A poor adaptation and a mediocre at best movie.