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Glumpuddle
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Prince Caspian hit theaters three years ago today! How do your feelings on the film today compare to your feelings three years ago? Vote, and then post a quick review.

Second option for me. After my first viewing I said it was "quite good, but not great." I don't like it as much today. I'll still give it a thumbs up, but not a very enthusiastic one.

On a technical level, it surpasses LWW in almost every way. It's just a more well made film. On a story level, I think the emotion and themes resonate more than LWW...until the end. The whole thing kind of falls apart in the third act, LWW had a much more satisfying conclusion. I mostly like the film up until after the Night Raid...then whole thing kind of derails. The third act is easily the worst part of the movie. It just feels like the movie doesn't know how to end. The WW scene still feels like it doesn't belong here, the Single Combat is still really disappointing, the battle drags on, and the kiss is abysmally stupid and waters down Lewis' themes.

As an adaptation, I think they did a decent job considering what a difficult nut the PC book was to crack. The absence of Bacchus and Silenus is still really hard to take; it's just not PC without them. But for me, they captured the sadness of the old days being gone and the hope that they might return.


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Topic starter Posted : May 15, 2011 11:38 pm
Reepicheep775
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You know I don't know if I can give Prince Caspian a proper review right now because I'll be biased. I saw Prince Caspian shortly after The Voyage of the Dawn Treader and it looked so good in comparison. Even before VDT I liked it better than I did initially though.

Posted : May 16, 2011 2:50 am
Glumpuddle
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^ I know what you mean. After I got back from my second viewing of VDT, I put in LWW and watched Lucy meeting Tumnus....whoa. The jump in quality from VDT was huge, it hit me seconds into the scene. There are no scenes remotely like that in VDT. It's a comfortably paced, well acted, well directed, heartfelt character-driven scene. Everything about it feels sincere.


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Topic starter Posted : May 16, 2011 4:09 am
8SilverSky
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Depending on the time I'm watching PC, my feelings on it are quite mixed. I like it the least of the 3 movies so far, but I still enjoy it.

I've got my favourite scenes here and there (transition to Narnia, the walking trees [that I wish had some more screen-time; I know they were probably expensive to do], Lucy's dream, etc.)

The thing I'm probably most disappointed by in PC is Aslan's amount of... well, I don't want to say "cringe-worthy shots", because a lot of time went into them, and I highly respect that. But you know what I mean.

Even though Peter and Caspian finished their quarrel in the end, I still think they kind of separated without having built up a real friendship. This was somewhat disappointing.

Unlike you, Glumpuddle, I'm not too bothered by the kiss. Yes, they could have left it out, but the inclusion of it didn't do much to me. I'm glad they didn't make it a "grand-kiss-moment" though (you know, camera spinning around the characters, big magical orchestra in the background), but instead they choose to keep it subtle.

I could go on for a bit, but I'll keep it brief; I liked Prince Caspian in theaters, and sometimes I still enjoy watching it at home. However, picking up the packaging of the disc with magical sparkles and and a colourful castle on the cover gives the wrong impression of a movie that is actually quite a bit darker, which I wish it wasn't.

Posted : May 16, 2011 5:06 am
Clive Staples Sibelius
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I initially merely liked it, then really disliked it when it came on DVD. Since then my opinion has only gone up, especially comparing it to VDT. It's a better adaptation of its source material than The Return of the King, and its production is overall better as well. Prince Caspian had fewer fakey CG shots than Return of the King.

I would also defend the character changes in PC against those of RotK in that at least they were whole changes that made sense for the film's tone, and were not merely confusing bludgeons on an otherwise great production. Frodo sending Sam back and Sam actually obeying would never happen. Faramir acting like a t**d in TTT would never happen and felt incredibly tacked on (so that Sam could give his little speech). In PC Peter acts badly because he thinks only he can save Narnia, and he has to come to accept that he acted rashly and should have waited for Aslan. At least it makes sense. At least it has an arc.

I still have serious problems with the overly-sarcastic dialogue, Caspian's Turbo-Pants, and the unmentionably horrible kiss (in conjunction with the song). But if they had added Aslan's Holiday in, I feel like the film would have felt more complete. The production is still the best I've seen in a fantasy film, along with The Lord of the Rings films. The pacing was perfect.

The third act is easily the worst part of the movie. It just feels like the movie doesn't know how to end. The WW scene still feels like it doesn't belong here, the Single Combat is still really disappointing, the battle drags on, and the kiss is abysmally stupid and waters down Lewis' themes.

Agreed. In regards to WW: yes, though at least they didn't carry that any further. The fact that they have subsequently used the WW in VDT sickens me, but at least in PC it actually has justification in the book. The Single Combat I still find great. The battle is meh...not nearly as good as the one in LWW, which was the real highlight of that film. Unlike some though, I like the battles in the Narnia films more than the ones in LotR for the simple reason that the size of the armies are realistically proportioned.

As an adaptation, I think they did a decent job considering what a difficult nut the PC book was to crack. The absence of Bacchus and Silenus is still really hard to take; it's just not PC without them. But for me, they captured the sadness of the old days being gone and the hope that they might return.

I was sad about their absence too, but even without them I think the film would have benefitted from having Aslan's Holiday.

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Posted : May 16, 2011 6:17 am
CharlotteRose
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I really liked Prince Caspian when it came out! REALLY liked it! it was actually my favourite film untill VDT came out (despite its flaws I like VDT the best) but I still think PC is a great film and love watchng it. In my opinion it was a great film. Sure it wasn't a film that was suitable for the same audiences as LWW (although surely if you saw LWW aged around 9 you'd be 12 when PC came out but never mind...) But it was a great film .Good story line (despite its lack of resembalance to the ACTUAL story), great casting, acting, effects, music ect. and I think the reason it didn't do so well was because Narnia fans were upset about it being to different from the book, younger film goers didn't like it because it was quite dark (same goes for parents) and teen film goers didn't like it because Narnia has an image of being for younger viewers. However if you ignore its name and target audience and just watch it as a film, its a good film. It has happyness, sadness, romance (wether you like it or not- I personally do :) ), fun, fighting, magic, all the things that sell well in films.
Overall I love all the films around equally and I like PC now more than ever but i think that for the reasons I have listed not everyone feels the same unfortunately. :(

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Posted : May 16, 2011 7:27 am
Elanor
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The first time I saw PC, I was shocked. Stunned speechless. Sobbing.
With joy. :D It was the most amazing movie I'd ever seen, and I still think it is as excellent as I thought then. It's not longer my favorite movie, but that's not because it's gone down in my opinion; it's because I've seen some new movies that are better. :D It's easily my favorite Narnia movie, I think it was marvelous in every way. I think LWW's quality was as good, I just didn't like it as much because the kids were so much younger, and I enjoyed them better when they were more mature. I think it was better quality than VDT (though I liked VDT better than LWW; see reason above).
I don't think PC differed from the book very much at all - and much as I liked VDT, I can pick it to pieces, while I find very little wrong at all with PC.
I think the acting was superb, the effects, and filming, storyline . . everything was perfect. :D And it was a beautiful movie. :D


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Posted : May 16, 2011 7:54 am
fireheart209
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I had to go with the third option. When I saw PC in theaters, I liked it. It looked like Narnia, they had enough scenes from the book that I recognized and I actually didn't mind the changes to Peter's character because I believe it was very well acted. William Mosley's acting as they are leaving the castle after the night raid brought tears to my eyes. When I saw the movie it had also been several years since I read the book so it wasn't really fresh in my mind.
After I saw it I didn't revisit Narnia (books or movies) until about a year later when I began to read the series to my daughter. She wanted to see the movies after hearing the books and it was only then that I saw PC for a second time. I could barely stand to watch it. I squirmed through Peter being rude and arrogant. Kind of a I-want-to-leave-the-room uncomfortableness. I could see the slippery slope that happened when Adamson decided to change Peter's character. They were then forced to change Caspian's character so Peter would have someone to fight with. And then Trumpkin. In the book, Peter was Caspian's hero and Trumpkin was polite and respectful, even funny--not bitter and sarcastic. It struck me how much changed so that Adamson could make Peter into what he wanted. I just can't get over that enough to like the movie. After more time went by, I realized what bothered me more about the movie was that they had left out the heart.

They left out Peter's deep, almost paternal love for the Narnians. He barely speaks to them in the movie. They left out Lucy's determination, spirit and bravery. Her relationship with Aslan was also watered down. They left out Susan's gentleness and her willingness to fight when neccesary despite hating it. They left out Caspian's love and intense longing for Old Narnia and how happy he was living among them. They left out Aslan reawakening Narnia. They left out Edmund's concern for Peter during the single combat and his commentary to Caspian (which sets up their relationship in DT)

In short the movie was a good action flick and I agree that Peter's character arc was an ok storyline by itself or if it had been in another movie. But they really missed the heart of the story and the characters and there are now only a few scenes I can really stand to watch.

I do like Edmund's character and the changes they made to the challenge scene. It made Edmund look exactly like Lewis describes him in the book.

Posted : May 16, 2011 8:28 am
sweeetlilgurlie
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Didn't like it. Still don't like it. Haven't watched it in two years.

Nuff said. ;))

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Posted : May 16, 2011 10:28 am
Liberty Hoffman
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when I first saw PC, I was excited, amazed, and impressed. my feelings haven't changed! I LOVE PC and I always will! :D


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Posted : May 16, 2011 10:44 am
icarus
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Voyage of The Dawn Treader's complete awfulness makes you really appreciate just how well made a movie Prince Caspian was. Any flaws perceived at the time pale into insignificance next to VDT and its total failure in every department.

Posted : May 16, 2011 10:45 am
fantasia
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I voted I liked it then, but I like it less now.

I fully admit that I was a bit starry eyed when I saw it the first time... being in NYC for the first ever showing with the full cast and crew sitting two rows behind me. Plus I went in with such low expectations that I couldn't help but be pleasantly surprised.

Like gP, I feel that PC is without a doubt the best Narnia film on a technical level, and I still really like it for that reason. It's a good movie. The other thing I really liked about it was that I felt it was the closest the filmmakers as a whole came to understanding the character of Aslan. Because of that, most of the adaptation changes don't bother me that much... yes, even the kiss. :P

But with each subsequent viewing, I cannot get past the travesty of what was done to Peter's character. Every time I watch PC it bothers me more and more, so I've not watched it now for a couple years.

Posted : May 16, 2011 11:25 am
DamselJillPole
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I'm not going to go into huge detail here because I dislike discussing this movie. So anyways yes i have recently watched it. And I will say that i now respect that the story and plot is there in the film. However I'm still shook up and irritated about the subplots; Lucy dreaming of Aslan and doesn't see him for real, the quarrel of Peter and Caspian, and Suspian.

Different subplots could have been better, could have done without them or they could have given more depth to them, epecially Suspian. Other then that that is all. ;)


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Posted : May 16, 2011 12:16 pm
GlimGlum
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I voted "I disliked it initially, but now I like it..". Initially I had some sort of disconnect with PC; my reaction the first time was "What was that?". But the second time was much better.

I consider PC to be a solidly made movie and would give it an 8/10. My negatives would also be Peter's character (I still think they went too far) and a lack of lighter or more magical moments to balance the very serious tone of this movie. (The book did have the romp and the celebration of the trees after the final battle.) They could also have added something along those lines though not in the book.

I think with a few adjustments PC could have been a great movie instead of a just a very good one. (IMHO) :)

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Posted : May 16, 2011 12:18 pm
Lucy of Narnia
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My feelings haven't really changed, although I realize now that it probably is the weakest Narnia movie they will make and some of the novelty of it being the newer movie has worn off with the release of VDT. I still love it, though. :)

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Posted : May 16, 2011 12:30 pm
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