^ Thats very irrational. This couild be their last movie for all they know. They need to get it across to people that Caspian and Lilliandil will get together, they can't just wait till SC. I hope they make it and if they do, that's just too far off to deal with more denying Suspian's.

Damsel, they only have so much time to show things in this film. The setup for a kiss may have taken too much screen time to even film. I'm with Josh. I'd rather have them show it in flashback then to sacrifice the themes or any of the more important character development required for a successful movie. It just isn't that important.

Slightly off topic, but do you think it may be a good idea for them to open the Silver Chair with Lilliandil and Rillian's story? Have a narrator tell of how Caspian returned from Aslan's Country (or the edge of the world) to Ramandu's Island and how they lived long happy years together (and they could show kissing during this montage) and gave birth to a son. Then they could cut to the day where the serpant kills Lilliandil. Then right after she dies we get the opening credits which show a montage of Rillain hunting the serpant. At the very end of the credit sequence we see Rillian near the fountain at night when a green glow covers his face. He turns to see the Lady of the Green Kirtle and then suddenly we cut back to our world. The remainder of the story would be told by Aslan and the Owls.

They don't "need" to show anything between Caspian and Liliandil. It is not essential to this story/film. Based on the cut I saw, there is no good place to show such a scene. It would interrupt the flow of the end of the film, which is just fine the way it is.

And anyway, Mark Johnson said in an interview that there is no wedding in the film. So none of this should be a surprise to anyone.

So basically the Suspians win and they get what they want. Okay.

DamselJillPole, please calm down. Just because Ramandu's Daughter and Caspian do not kiss does not mean Susaspians "win." Unless Susan and Caspian end up together than Susaspian fans will not "get what they want" and we know that they wont.

Also, you're coming across as quite disrespectful to Susaspian fans. Don't get me wrong, I'm with you. I'm completely 100% against Susaspian, but that's no reason for me to disrespect those who aren't. I'd appreciate it if you'd dial it back a few notches.

Having said that, this thread is getting way off topic. Please keep to the VDT movie review discussion. Thank you.

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Well I can't blame DamselJillPole for being upset that more screentime was given to a romance that doesnt exist than a one that actually does.

Still, they can show a lot during the Silver Chair.

I was recently able to attend a prescreening, and I hate to say it, but my problems with the movie are so large that I can't say I liked the film overall (unless y'all are able to convince me otherwise).

Well I can't blame DamselJillPole for being upset that more screentime was given to a romance that doesnt exist than a one that actually does.

Still, they can show a lot during the Silver Chair.

They can definitely show a lot more in the Silver Chair. However, if SC never gets made, and the films stand as a trilogy, the Caspian/Lilliandil romance will be left not only incomplete, but never developed in the first place. It felt to me like Caspian was merely having a hormonal response to an attractive girl he saw for barely 5 minutes.

This was perhaps the biggest issue of all for me - I felt like the seven swords plotline became the complete backbone of the movie and made the lords themselves almost an afterthought. I got the impression that Caspian and the others weren't caring very much about finding several of the lords dead. On Dragon Island, they are very sad to see the possible death of Eustace the brat, but don't seem to give a darn that Lord Octesian has been reduced to a skeleton. There's also never any talk of "Oh, only X lords to go," it's always, "How many swords are left to find?" Did anyone else feel this way?

Well, I can understand why they would be more concerned about Eustace then Octesian, for one thing they have never met Octesian so they have very little emotional attachment to him, where as Eustace had been with them for weeks and even if they didn't really like him it would be much more disturbing to find that one of your shipmates had just been killed moments before than to find a skeleton of someone who has been dead for who knows how long that you did not even know. And it would be much worse for Ed because he is his cousin and I would be a lot more concerned over an idiot cousin dying then someone who died years ago from another world that I had never met, especially since they were both from another world and I'm sure thoughts like "What am I going to tell Harold and Alberta", and the like were running through his head .

And also they were soldiers, they wouldn't really be disturbed that much my the sigh of death unless it was someone they knew.

You know after thinking it over, despite my original thoughts on how VotDT would never work as a faithful adaptation, I think they should have just stuck to the book for this one."

Sure they could add in a little action to the Lone Islands (though not make it just an action scene like in the movie), they can combine Goldwater and Dragon Island (something I would naturally have done), they could give RD a name and make Dark island the climax. But I think that the seven swords plot made the characters in such a rush to go from island to island that we loose that sense of wonder and discovery on each island because there is such a hastle to get the swords.

I also think we would get more character development if the pace wasnt so quick. For one we'd get more Aslan (as his appearance in all of his scenes was too brief in attempt to keep the action flowing), but they could also develop Lilliandil and Caspian's relationship on Ramandu's Island and maybe actually show Ramandu.

I would also have liked to see the Sea People.

Thank you Josh and MinotaurForAslan, that's exactly how I feel. And the Caspian/Lilliandil romance sounds more immature/childish/underdeveloped then Caspian and Susan was.

narnialover101, I'm sorry. I'm also not trying to come off as disrespectful I'm actually congratulating Suspian fans on their expectations for this film. I mean they are a huge fandom on fanfic and youtube. And by the news from everyone who saw the screening Caspian and lilliandil don't end up together in the end. So yes like Josh stated don't blame me for being upset here.

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Well I wasn't worried about the film... til you guys brought up the seven swords again...

Still though I think the theme of journeying to Aslan's country will be strong... also correct me if I'm wrong... but in the book I though his appearances were breif, accept for when they reach the end of the world. He basically just appeared for a few seconds then disappeared again. For those of you who saw the film... how much hype was there about Aslan's country?

Also I'm not worried to much about the kiss, granted I don't like Suspian, but there were a lot worse things in PC (*coughPetercough*) and a lot worse things that could be in this movie (*coughswordscough*) And I think they'll hit on it when they make SC, which I think will get made... as for the ones after that, lets just say they've already got me worried about how SC is gonna affect the fate of the series...and VDT's not even finished yet.

But there's no excuse for anymore love triangles! On the bright side if Liliandil's part is small...then that means that Ed/Caspian/Liliandil is small.

Seems to me the only reason they included that line, was to push Lucy's storyline along, and didn't Susan mention a cute guy in America, so even if Caspian didn't forget-she did.

There are a lot of other things that will bug me, but they're not my main concern, I just hope they get the main themes in strongly.

EDIT* For the record I did not see the film, so this all isn't based on much.

There are a lot of other things that will bug me, but they're not my main concern, I just hope they get the main themes in strongly.

I did see the movie and they did get a lot of the themes in there.

Once again, I invite you to put down any preconceived judgments and any personal expectations you have based on how you or anyone else thinks the movie should have been made.

It is a good film. It has strong message of faith. It deals well with the theme of temptation, in several ways. It does not get rid of the book's Christian underpinnings. Anytime a movie like VDT gets created, with the quality of the acting and production, we should rejoice.

There will be things that bug you. I know there were things that I would have done differently. But, it is still a very good film. I have recommended it to many teens, preteens and parents. I am anxiously awaiting the opportunity to see it again.

Oy, Thanks a lot, MinotaurforAslan! You make the movie sound TERRIBLE!

But, I will not give up hope. You will not shake my confidence that easily. Personally, I will be going to see VDT for Eustace, Reepicheep and The End of the World. As for the rest of it, remind me to bring ear plugs and a blindfold!