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fantasia
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It's never too early to start talking about The Silver Chair in my opinion. :D Since there is already a good topic ready to be discussed thanks to Michael Apted, I thought I'd get it started.

Twice now, I've noticed that Michael Apted has mentioned "kidnappings in The Silver Chair" in interviews.

The instant reaction I think has been panic. ;)) But after I thought about it for a while, I didn't think it was that far off from the truth. After Prince Rilian disappears, it's confirmed that many brave knights go off to look for him and none of them ever return. I think it's presumed that they're killed outright, but I couldn't help but think of the Warden's line that he repeats over and over to Puddleglum -- "Many fall down, and few return to the sunlit lands."

I don't think it would be that big of a change at all to have a few extra knights enslaved by the Green Lady to work in the underworld. Or even if she just kills them when they get there, I think that could still classify as kidnapping.

Personally, I still think of all of the gnomes as kidnapped from their homes, but I don't think that's quite what Michael Apted was referring to when he made his comments.

Thoughts?

Topic starter Posted : December 6, 2010 10:47 am
narnian1
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Rilian should be the only one that they rescue at the end. I think it would lessen a bit if they rescue several others at the same exact time, aside of the creatures in Bism. But I am not opposed to the whole idea of it, as long as they occur within different scenes if possible.

Posted : December 6, 2010 10:49 am
aragorn2
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The instant reaction I think has been panic. ;)) But after I thought about it for a while, I didn't think it was that far off from the truth. After Prince Rilian disappears, it's confirmed that many brave knights go off to look for him and none of them ever return. I think it's presumed that they're killed outright, but I couldn't help but think of the Warden's line that he repeats over and over to Puddleglum -- "Many fall down, and few return to the sunlit lands."

Well, I automaticly thought of the gnomes, which were kidnapped(putting a spell on someone and making them come with you when they wouldn't want to counts as kidnapping) from there homes and enslaved by the LOTGK, I wasn't worried at all by this.

I really don't get why people are thinking that he might be talking about a few knights which we are not sure of when there were thousands of kidnappees that take part in the story.

Posted : December 7, 2010 1:54 am
PeterCharn
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You are right Fantasia_Kitty, it is never too early to talk about the SIlver Chair.

I have a theory that the people offered as sacrifces to the green mist will be "kidnapped" and become prisoners of the LofGK. They will be turned into her minions (Gnomes) and caused to work in the underworld. and when they free Rilian and break the spell then the gnomes will turn back into humans. I hope I am wrong, but I can def see Walden and Fox doing this.

Thoughts?

Posted : December 7, 2010 6:53 am
waggawerewolf27
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I don't think it would be that big of a change at all to have a few extra knights enslaved by the Green Lady to work in the underworld. Or even if she just kills them when they get there, I think that could still classify as kidnapping.

No, I don't think that it would be too much of a stretch to regard LOTGK's activities as kidnapping. Especially in view of the warden's repetitious password. I rather expect that the knights who survived being made into man-pie, the rigours of the journey or even getting past the Ettinsmoor giants, would have been disposed of somehow once they got to Underland.

Don't you think it was strange that once Jill, Eustace and Puddleglum fell down the slope inside the 'Under Me' sign, there was a posse of gnomes just waiting there for them to turn up? Almost as if someone had rung the doorbell?

And no, it isn't too early to start talking about Silver Chair.

Posted : December 7, 2010 10:23 pm
Tirian12
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In my opinion these "kidnappings" sound very canon. I am in total agreement with you fantasia_kitty "I don't think it would be that big of a change at all to have a few extra knights enslaved by the Green Lady to work in the underworld. Or even if she just kills them when they get there, I think that could still classify as kidnapping."

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Posted : December 8, 2010 7:48 am
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Yes, I guess we could call it "Pre-murder kidnapping" but I kinda doubt that's what Apted was talking about! :|
And adding some knights of Narnia to be rescued would water down Rillian's story line dramatically. [-(

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Posted : December 8, 2010 8:06 am
Valiant
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I don't understand WHY the knights are needed. I don't see what it adds to the film.


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Posted : December 8, 2010 8:30 am
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I agree that LotGK taking the gnomes (and possibly the champions who searched for Rilian) can count as kidnapping. However, Apted saying that SC is all about the witch kidnapping people bothers me. Yes, that is an element of the story, but that is not what SC is "all about." Just like temptation is part of VDT but it is not what VDT is all about.

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Posted : December 8, 2010 8:42 am
aragorn2
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Well in a way it is all about kidnapping. The entire book is about a quest to save a kidnapped prince and the last third of the book is involving thousands of kidnapped people

Posted : December 8, 2010 8:46 am
Valiant
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I agree that LotGK taking the gnomes (and possibly the champions who searched for Rilian) can count as kidnapping. However, Apted saying that SC is all about the witch kidnapping people bothers me. Yes, that is an element of the story, but that is not what SC is "all about." Just like temptation is part of VDT but it is not what VDT is all about.

Yes, I agree. If the movie keeps the heart of the book and the main themes, I don't think I will care about these "kidnappings."

However the Kidnapping of Rilian and holding him under an enchantment is how sin takes hold of other people. So if that theme is played out, that will be good. I just hope it isn't about the action and the motions of kidnapping, if you get what I mean.

As well, I hope the themes of believing in Aslan (Puddleglum), and following his signs (Jill), among other things, will not be overshadowed by these kidnappings.
It is very similiar to how I wouldn't (as much) mind the 7 swords plot in VDT, if the main themes are not overshadowed by it.


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Posted : December 8, 2010 8:50 am
sweeetlilgurlie
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The only problem I have with it is if they make the LoTGK actively kidnapping the knights/gnomes a pivotal part of the film. He seems to act like the kidnapping of various persons in the plotline, which isn't so.

The kidnapping of Rilian starts the story and is the basis for the quest, but the story is not about his kidnapping.

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Posted : December 8, 2010 9:31 am
aragorn2
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Well, the story is about his rescue from captivity via kidnapping

Posted : December 8, 2010 9:36 am
beloved
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Could kidnappings also refer to attempted kidnappings? I would consider the episode with the fire and the music a failed attemped. Up till now I wouldn't have considered the gnomes enslavement kidnapping until some one else put the idea in my head and it really does fit. Stolen from their home, tricked and spell bound to do the will of LOTGK.
I don't think that it will ever come into a producers head to make more characters than they need for this movie. They have Jill, Puddleglum, Rillian, LOTKG, giants, gentle giants, owls, and all manner of other things. I don't think they would dare to bother to add even more characters to this already heavy load.

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Posted : December 8, 2010 12:06 pm
IAmSusan
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If there's a few knights kidnapped along with (after) Rillian, i'm fine. It it turns into the entrie plot, then I have a problem. The knomes could be kidnapped according to what Fox/Walden appear to be doing, it wouldn't be great, but I could live with it.

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Posted : December 8, 2010 2:23 pm
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