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Ithilwen
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I had an idea of something the movie-makers might be putting in the movie that wasn't in the books. I think there will be a few very interesting conversations between Edmund and Eustace. Here's why --

Point #1. Edmund's dad (who he adores and admires) is fighting in the war. The way Edmund HAD to go back for his picture at the beginning of LWW showed how much he admires his soldier father (I would also like to point out that if his father is injured or killed in the beginning of VODT, as some people are saying he might, that would make Edmund love his father and his father's cause all the greater). I heard someone say Peter joined the war too, but I don't know if that's true or not. Now, Edmund wants to join the war too (even though he doesn't make it in).

Point #2. In the book, it is revealed that Eustace is a Pacifist, which that means he doesn't believe in fighting, or wars. Which means that he probably believes that the war, and the soldiers fighting in it, are wrong, perhaps even immoral. And being the sort of boy he is, he wouldn't keep quiet about these beliefs either...

Putting these two characters together could make for some . . . interesting scenes in the movie . . .

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Topic starter Posted : August 23, 2010 7:47 pm
narnialover4
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Oh, wow, I never realized Eustace was a pacifist! I, mean, because he sure doesn't seem peaceful a lot of the time :) I can see where you're going because let's say that Eustace opens his mouth about Edmund's dad (Peter, if it's true that he enlisted) and it offends Edmund...that could definitely start a war between the two. I hope Eustace doesn't get extremely annoying.

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Posted : August 24, 2010 1:55 am
iamgeorgiestwin
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this is a good point. im sure thats part of the reason they dont get along so well. i wonder how it will work when they do fight.

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Posted : August 24, 2010 4:22 am
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I don't know for sure if they'd fight about that, but I do agree that Edmund and Eustace aren't going to get along too well. In the book, we know that Edmund really doesn't like Eustace and even calls him a "record stinker." And Eustace never cared for the Pevensies either, although he liked tormenting and bullying them. I'd be suprised if the movie didn't show the hostility these two have for each other before Eustace turns into a dragon. :-o

But I like this idea as a character arch for Edmund. He absolutely dislikes his cousin, but then he learns to have patience and show kindness to Eustace after he's un-dragoned. We've already seen that all three clips show how Edmund goes from disliking, feeling guilty, and then forgiving his cousin. Now this would be a great story plot! :D


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Posted : August 24, 2010 5:55 am
Reepicheep775
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Very interesting idea. I wouldn't this to be too long, but it could be a neat way of adding depth to thier characters that is already established in the book and movies.

Posted : August 24, 2010 6:18 am
Dinode
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Interesting idea Eustace+Jill, but how would it end? I can't picture the film makers starting this argument and portraying Eustace as being right without offending real pacifists, and who would want to make pre-dragon Eustace right? They would have to leave it unresolved, and that doesn't look good from a story telling perspective.

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Posted : August 24, 2010 9:55 am
Valiant
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Ya, it seems like a good idea, but I doubt the film makers would risk offending pacifists. I think that comment in the book (along with many others) is already snubbed.

However it seems like an interesting idea and as long as its properly executed I probably would like it.

I have nothing against pacifists myself, though I'm not one. :)


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Posted : August 24, 2010 12:16 pm
Reepicheep775
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I don't have an issue with pacifists, although I do have an issue with pacifism. :p

Posted : August 24, 2010 1:40 pm
Raticus
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I don't think Eustace is necessarily a pacifist in a political sense, since he's always so argumentative and willing to pick fights with others. I think he only says he is to get out of the duel that Reepicheep challenges him to, because he's trying to buff his own ego while avoiding being embarrased.

Posted : August 24, 2010 4:11 pm
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I agree with what Raticus said. Eustace can't be an actual pacifist, considering he bullies kids at his school, the book does say that. Eustace's claiming to be a pacifist is clearly a tactic he uses to prevent himself from being forced into a battle with Reepicheep.

I think there will be a few arguments between Edmund and Eustace, and certainly tension between them throughout the movie, but I doubt the two will engage in an actual 'war'. The film makers would be taking a very wrong turn by doing so, for, to me, Edmund HAS TO have respect for Eustace. He was in the exact same situation as Eustace was only two years before the events of Voyage of the Dawn Treader, and especially after Eustace's undragoning, Edmund tells him how much he can relate to the happenings his cousin endured.

Think about it. Edmund betrayed his siblings, in the hopes that he would get something far more grand than anything they would get: the chance to be a king. Edmund would be able to have complete control over everything they do, and would be given the oppurtunity he has clearly wanted for quite some time. His meeting with the White Witch a second time did the opposite of what he assumed it would; Edmund's meeting the Witch at her castle humiliated him. In the hopes of having his dreams come true, Edmund was given something no one likes to face: humiliation. In the same way, Eustace's transformation into a dragon is at first thought to be a blessing in disguise. Eustace will now be able to give Edmund, Lucy, Caspian, and Reepicheep the revenge he thinks they deserve. He is soon faced with the reality of his situation. Through this, Eustace learns humiliation, and becomes a more mature, humble person.

For these reasons, I think having Edmund and Eustace fighting would be contradicting the original source material (not that that has ever stopped the film makers before), Edmund might be annoyed with Eustace at times, but I don't think he ever actually wants to fight him, because he is often appreciating Eustace from a distance.

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Posted : August 24, 2010 4:41 pm
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I would really hate to see Edmund spending the entire movie fighting with Eustace. That would be so juvenile of him and would just debase the character. He's old enough and been through enough that having him spend the movie engaging in petty sniping at Eustace would be character regression, not development.

Posted : August 24, 2010 5:20 pm
Trufflehunter
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I think Lewis was trying to show readers that Eustace's constant harassing of Edmund, Lucy, Caspian, and even Reepicheep was immature. After his undragoning, he is more mature in a sense, and therefore leaves the others alone as beat he can. The same thing happened to Edmund in LWW, and I think, as Bookwyrm said, Edmund should now be mature enough to realize that fighting with Eustace won't make things any better.

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Posted : August 24, 2010 6:16 pm
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I had the feeling Eustace was just saying he was a pacificist so he wouldn't have to fight Reepicheep.

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Posted : August 25, 2010 6:32 am
Shastafan
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I agree that Edmund is old enough to understand that fighting with Eustace won't do any good, but I don't think that would stop him from not getting along with him. In the book, Edmund was always very irritated with Eustace, and wouldn't we all be like that as well? :p #:-s

Now, I doubt this would turn into a full-out war, but it could make some tense situations between the two. This was a lot like what Edmund and Peter had in the LWW movie, Peter being disgusted with Edmund, and Edmund just being nasty. In VDT, I wouldn't be suprised that now that Edmund has changed for the better, he would be in Peter's shoes (sort of), and have to learn to cope with Eustace, who's a lot like he used to be, extremely horrible.

I really don't know the answers, I guess. This could be good or bad. Well, as long as whatever's done fits with the story well, I'll be satisfied! ;)


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Posted : August 25, 2010 6:43 am
Liberty Hoffman
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cool theory!
if you are right about Edmund's dad being killed are hurt in the war, then that might have something to do with Edmund's attempt to enlist.....
this might be true!
yeah, they might have some really crazy conversations! :D


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Posted : August 25, 2010 8:55 am
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