I have a question....but I am not sure if there is an answer. If not, I would love to hear people's views on it.
I am opperating under the assumption that the film makers are trying create ways to tie VDT to SC so that the films will transition easily.
Will the Green Mist be part of the SC, or was that something for the VDT movie?
Will the Lady of the Green Kirtle be a result (or incarnation) of the Green mist? Or is the Lady of the green Kirtle the source of the green mist? Or are they two separate entities?
I think we have to see VDT before we know for sure what the 'green mist' is, and to understand how it is related to the Dark Island. I have a theory that it is somehow related to the green powder LOTGK used to drug Eustace, Jill, Rilian and Puddleglum at the end of SC, when she was trying to persuade them that her own world was the only world there was. I don't think the green mist is something the Emerald Witch could have made, but rather something she had the power to harness, if that makes sense. Something like the present Merapi eruption, perhaps, last April's Eyjafjallajökull eruption, which disrupted European air travel for some time, or the fallout from Chernobyl in 1986.
I think the green mist could be something like a visual representation of corruption, pollution and sinfulness. And if I am right, it would indeed provide some sort of tie-in to SC.
I'm wondering if the Green Mist is just an indication that someone is being tempted (which is a cheesy thing to do) or if it is actively tempting people itself, like an extension of the DI (I don't know if I like this idea either...)
If the Green Mist is just telling the audience that someone is being tempted, then it might be a symbol running throughout the series (at least VDT and SC.)
If the Green Mist is actively evil, then I too wonder if it will be releated to the Green powder used by the LotGK, If it is, it might not be the same thing, but a similar substance.
We will have to know more about the "green mist's role" before we can come to any real conclusions.
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I don't think the green mist is something the Emerald Witch could have made
I'm just curious--I don't think I'd ever heard the term Emerald Witch used to refer to the Lady of the Green Kirtle until I read it on these forums. Am I missing something somewhere?
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For the most part, the Emerald Witch is just a common fan name. However, I have seen before in a library, old copies of the Silver Chair that use that term in the sypnopsis.
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I'm wondering if the Green Mist is just an indication that someone is being tempted (which is a cheesy thing to do) or if it is actively tempting people itself, like an extension of the DI (I don't know if I like this idea either...)
If the Green Mist is actively evil, then I too wonder if it will be releated to the Green powder used by the LotGK, If it is, it might not be the same thing, but a similar substance.
I think I would prefer if the Green Mist was actively evil and not just a symbol.
I think that the green mist is related to the LotGK and the green powder she uses in the SC. Maybe this movie will end with them questioning what the green mist is, and where it came from; therefore leading up to the LotGK in SC. So VDT might build up a mystery that is revealed in SC.
What if in the SC the green powder is replace with green mist. She could open the box and a dense green mist could come out. It could be so dense that it stays low to floor and goes into the fire. Or it doens't need to go into the fire at all it just creeps out of the box and makes the whole room green and hazy as she is playing her instrument. i think that could be a coo visual.
For the most part, the Emerald Witch is just a common fan name. However, I have seen before in a library, old copies of the Silver Chair that use that term in the sypnopsis.
What did the gnomes call her? The Emerald Queen?
Its been so long since I have read the silver Chair. It is now officially on my to do list.
I want them to keep the fire so that Puddleglum can step in it and stop it.
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The gnomes called The lady of the Green Kirtle, Queen of Underland. The lady of the green kirtle called herself 'she of the green kirtle'. I agree that all of these names are mouthfuls which almost demand abbreviations of some sort. Apart from Narnian references to her being of the same crew as the White Witch, I doubt anyone said she was a witch in SC. LOTGK is NarniaWeb's acronmym for the lady who appears to have been called the Emerald Witch after the BBC television production featured Barbara Kellerman (wearing a floaty looking green and black outfit with her hair in a tightfitting green headdress) as LOTGK in SC.
It wouldn't be a bad idea for us to have another look at this film, since there is lots of green mist or green powder puffs in Barbara Kellerman's scene where she mesmerises the children and Rilian and where Puddleglum puts out the fire. I wouldn't be too surprised to find that this is the source for the idea of the green mist which appears to be in VDT.
Ya, I'm curious as to why the chose GREEN mist. I would thik that black mist would be a more appropriate choice (because of Dark Island.) Or it could have been a different colour (like orange, red, yellow...) So I too wouldn't be suprised if the "green mist' is to connect it with the LotGK. Or, it could be a coincidence.
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The lady of the green kirtle called herself 'she of the green kirtle'. I agree that all of these names are mouthfuls which almost demand abbreviations of some sort. Apart from Narnian references to her being of the same crew as the White Witch, I doubt anyone said she was a witch in SC. LOTGK is NarniaWeb's acronmym for the lady who appears to have been called the Emerald Witch after the BBC television production featured Barbara Kellerman (wearing a floaty looking green and black outfit with her hair in a tightfitting green headdress).
LOTGK was an established name before NarniaWeb. It was certainly part of Into The Wardrobe, but I don't know whether it was invented there.
Jill calls her "The Lady of the Green Kirtle" when they arrive at Harfang.
She always did wear green. Do you mean the BBC costume was emerald green?
There, shining in the sunrise, larger than they had seen him before, shaking his mane (for it had apparently grown again) stood Aslan himself.
"...when a willing victim who had committed no treachery was killed in a traitor's stead, the Table would crack and Death itself would start working backwards."
I agree that Jill referred to The Lady of the Green Kirtle by her full title, but in SC it was never abbreviated to the initials LOTGK. Unlike Trumpkin, who in PC was called the DLF by the Pevensies until they had forgotten what the initials stood for.
According to this Wikipedia article, the Lady of the Green Kirtle was called not only Queen of Underland but also Queen of the Deep Realm in SC. But she wasn't called the Emerald Witch there. I am assuming that Barbara Kellerman's entire SC outfit, in deepest emerald green, is what gave the character that name since I haven't heard LOTGK referred to in such terms before the 1990's. The article I linked to has a picture of her in full regalia.
By the way, though I have seen lovely deep green emerald rings and things displayed in jewellers' shops, most natural emeralds are more likely to be a light clear green. Just as an educational exercise, take a look at the various coloured gemstones displayed in your local shopping malls to see what I mean about which gemstone is which colour.
I'm curious as to why the chose GREEN
Apart from LOTGK's green associations there is a long tradition of green being the colour of poison, of evil and an unlucky colour, even though that shouldn't really apply to people who are of Irish descent. Car salesmen and real estate agents don't seem to like green coloured cars or carpets, which is exactly why I usually ask for it. Though I think that purple would be even more outrageous. Even in literature, long before C.S.Lewis wrote Silver Chair, we had the Wicked Witch of the West who had a green skin. She, of course, was the antagonistic character in L.Frank Baum's Wonderful Wizard of Oz which famously had as its very sinful capital, Emerald City, also the ironic nickname bestowed on Sydney.
For myself, I am not surprised that the mist is green.
I think the Green Witch makes more sense then the Emerald Witch though i always refer to her as LotGK. I had never heard the Emerald Witch before coming to Narniaweb either though i am not suggesting it wasn't used before. I don't particularly like that term, but at least now i know what people mean when they say it.
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I normally think of the LotGK as the Green Witch as well. But thats because its easier to say.
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Fair point, Valiant. But why call her the Green or the Emerald Witch when as Jill's phrase clearly indicates, it is only her kirtle which is green. According to that site I linked to, a kirtle is a lined, front-opening bodice, with an attached, unlined, gathered skirt, often split down the front, not altogether different from an Austrian dirndl.
There are three suitably dressed LOTGK bridesmaids pictured wearing green kirtles in the first site I linked to, which also makes plain that even the bodice and skirt of a kirtle need not necessarily be the same colour. LOTGK could very well have worn other colours such as white, yellow or brown for a chemise and underskirt, and that the term green kirtle did not necessarily refer to both her bodice and her overskirt.
But then there is the green powder (green mist?) she uses. I tend to agree with Peter Charn that there might be a relationship there somewhere. Especially as in her snake form, LOTGK was specifically green.
Assuming that the VDT green mist does indeed have some sort of a relationship with LOTGK, what is your impression of what it could be?
When you first read Silver Chair, what did you think of 'The Lady of the Green Kirtle', and where did you think she came from? After nearly three films have been produced and all the associated discussions, do you now have different ideas about her origins? Where and how did you think she arose?
I think the green mist is just a "form" the evil from the DI takes, it seems as if everything is pointing that way. I really hope that the LOTGK isn't involved in it, that would be stupid