I liked it, I didn't love it like the first two, but I liked it. I think it's gonna end up being like the teaser trailer and it will grow on me, I can feel it happenning now actually. My main problem was the pacing, second was consistency w/ PC and LWW, third adaptation w/ the book. But overall I enjoyed it. (I'll admit that I missed the old cameras though )
*Edit, realised she should include what she liked*
Eustace! Some of the sea serpant shots were cool, the map (actually the dialouge wasn't as bad as it seemed in the clip), the credits were cool, I liked how Caspian associated them as his family, the fact that they kept Aslan's line at the end Reep! (but still misses Izzard, my freind actually didn't notice the voice change) The dufflepuds... Lots of little things I guess...
"The mountains are calling and I must go, and I will work on while I can, studying incessantly." -John Muir
"Be cunning, and full of tricks, and your people will never be destroyed." -Richard Adams, Watership Down
The movie rocked! The good pretty well outweighed the bad, and my sister told me that I was smiling the whole time ( )!
My problems were a lot like wolfoversk's. I though some of the shots weren't very impressive at all (I also miss the old cameras...). I wished the pacing had been slowed down, but someone pointed out to me that now VDT had a more urgent purpose then in the book (not that the original purpose wasn't there.). And finally, the huge-o plot change somewhat annoyed me, but not as bad as I thought it would ( ). It'll be VERY interesting to see how this might link to SC...
There's plenty of awesome parts that left me giddy! Eustace was just as impressive as he was in the book, and Reepicheep was excellent! All the other actors lived up to their characters, and the visuals were extremely well done! The sets, music, and emotions really came through, and I choked up a bit at the end. All of it proved to be worthy of a film!
Overall, I'd give VDT 4 out of 5 stars. It had it's bad moments, but I still ended up loving it. Maybe it's not my favorite movie yet, but I promise you, it's at #2 right now! Long live Narnia!
I haven't been on here for a long time, but just saw the film today and came to see what the reaction was to it.
To me, the film was OK, nothing dreadfully wrong with it. It did just about everything you could do with the story and nothing stuck out.
However, it just didn't sweep me into it like the other two movies did so effortlessly. I loved the two other movies and I guess I wanted Dawn Treader to fit in with the other two as far as atmosphere, music, tone, style, cinematography, etc. Obviously it was aimed more towards kids and as a 20 year old guy this didn't appeal to me as much. I don't know if I would ever mentally put it in the same category as LWW and PC.
Is it bad? No. Could I point out what was wrong with it? Again, no. Is it good? I would have to consider that carefully. I knew pretty much what the film would be like from seeing the trailers and posters so my expectations weren't high. But after seeing it, and remembering how much I loved the other two (especially Prince Caspian, mind-blowing filmmaking there!) I am feeling a little nostalgic.
So yeah, I'm not picking apart little details or anything. All the stuff I'm reading here about cheesy Reep, added plots and Caspian's changed accent doesn't bother me. It just feels very much like a different Narnia. Other people may love it, and that's fine by me! I just... didn't.
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Agree with most of the previous posts so won't rehash, but if I have to rate VDT amongst the other films it'd go like this:
LWW 10/10
PC 7/10
VDT 5/10
VDT was mainly lacking the heart and emotional impact of LWW. If it had been a success I'd have rated it a 10/10. The potential of real success was all there they just didn't realize it. Am still disappointed.
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I felt like they rushed through it, just to get it done. And although I hate to admit it, I was quite disappointed of the acting from the main characters (minus Eustace) probably because we have seen so much emotion from them before, but in VotDT it was mostly fear. But really?? Did they have to change it that much?? The cliche mist was so pointless; they could have easily used the story line from the book to include everything they needed without the mist. On terms of the temptations, I kind of see why they changed it to Lucy envying Susan because it would be difficult to depict a Lucy so beautiful wars are started over her. However, the White Witch needs to go. I doubt she could be much of a temptation for Edmund; after all it was Peter and Prince Caspian that were tempted by her in the PC movie. Edmund simply got rid of her as a temptation. What's more, the White Witch tried to kill Edmund as well as his siblings in TLWW and he tried killing her during the battle. I don't understand why they had to change it.
Oh, and it was weird that Caspian lost his spanish accent...
I liked it; as I liked all of them. But, naturally agreeing with most people on this, that LWW was better. I really didn't like Caspian in this movie, I don't know what it was, but he kinda was a bit half hearted, or so I thought. I think Ben did a much better job in PC, to be honest. I think that the green mist could have been scarier, because I suppose if they had to include it then they should have at least made it do more than it did.
The dragon, I thought, could have been way better than it was. I was actually a bit disappointed actually when Eustace flew out, I was like 'oh. That's Eustace as the dragon'. They could have made it better.
Overall I did like it a LOT, but it wasn't as good as LWW. that's my opinion anyway
I really didn't like Caspian in this movie, I don't know what it was, but he kinda was a bit half hearted, or so I thought.
As much as I like Ben, I have to agree with you to some extent. I do think he gets some scenes really right, but in others he seems, I dunno, lose focus a bit (most notably in the scene after he saved Lucy). But I really like his performances in the GOldwater and the End of the World scenes.
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Well I just watched it again, and I liked it a lot better, whether that was because I knew what to expect or because of the 3D I shall never know. It did seem less kiddish this time.
"The mountains are calling and I must go, and I will work on while I can, studying incessantly." -John Muir
"Be cunning, and full of tricks, and your people will never be destroyed." -Richard Adams, Watership Down
I went to see The Voyage of the Dawn Treader for the first time last night! There is a lot to discuss and I want to add to the discussion on each and every topic here (however long it takes), but for now I'll just give my basic thoughts.
Overall I'd give it a 6.5 out of 10. I thought I would be viewing complete blasphemey, but that wasn't really the case. There were some scenes that I feel the film-makers really messed up, and I'll discuss those in the future, but it was an enjoyable movie.
P.S. Will Poulter was AWESOME!
Hah, apparently I haven't logged into Narniaweb for so long that its forgotten my user. Or maybe I forgot my username/password really was...I had to create a new one. XD
Anyway. Voyage of the Dawn Treader. After PC, I had high hopes. When the first trailer came out, my hopes plummeted into the dark depths of blackest seas. But then people started watching the movie and saying that it was actually pretty good, so by the time I actually got around to going to the theatre to see it, I had absolutely no idea what to expect. While I was watching it, I was thinking "Okay, this could be good, I guess." By the time I got out, I wasn't sure whether I liked it better than PC or not. By the time I got home, I'd decided that I hated it.
I'm not sure why everyone thinks they kept to the spirit of the book...I was beginning to wonder if they've even read the book. They kept the *message* of the book, I'll give them that. That was impressive. They kept the Christian message without watering it down at all, which I really liked. But the THEME of the book was gone. Instead of a journey for honour and glory and to find out what's out there, to find the seven lords and put right what was wrong - and especially Reepicheep's quest to find Aslan's country - it was turned into an extremely cliché quest to find the magic smurf swords to save the world again.
The characters were....good. But they never went anywhere. They just kind of...existed, and never got any farther than that, which I found really frustrating. They did a fairly good job with Lucy (I really liked the scene where she was back in England as Susan...that was very well done, until they made Aslan whack us over the head with it a minute later), and Eustace was good - probably because he had to change so drastically. But I was really looking forward to Will Poulter, having seen him in the Son of Rambow, but I was disappointed. He was good, but not great. Reepicheep's quest was lost as everyone "battled the evil within themselves" (I freaking HATED that...not only because it's insanely cliché, but they had to go and slam it into our heads with a sledgehammer as well), and when he sailed off into Aslan's country, it was kind of a "Huh. Ok." moment, while in the books, it was bittersweet and incredible.
I think the fundamental problem with this movie is that it was made because some studio thought it would make them money. It wasn't because someone who loves the books wanted to make them, like Lord of the Rings, and as a result the heart and soul was lost and replaced with things that the studio thought would make money.
I could go on much longer, but I've already ranted enough. XD The movie had potential, and it could have been SO incredible, but it just wasn't. The more I think about it, the more disappointed I am.
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After seeing the film twice I think I can make a reasonable judgment. It was most definitely better than PC but its hard to tell if its better than LWW. From an adaptation point of view, it was better than PC but not as good as LWW but from a movie stand point (just looking at the movies, without comparing to the books) it was the best Narnia film yet! (my opinion)
Personally, VDT is my favorite of the three films. When I first saw the film I didn't think that but after seeing the film again and just looking at the film as a whole, it was my favorite. I was never bored throughout it and I know when I watch the DVD I won't be skipping any scenes. When I watch LWW I always skip the waterfall scene.
So my vote went to best Narnia film so far
I voted it was the worst Narnia movie yet. As drastic as it sounds, it could be even one of my least favorite movies ever.
It certainly was a bad adaption, and I think generally a bad movie as a whole. The acting was surprisingly bad -- with the exception of Will Poulter who did a lovely job. The 3D was terrible -- much too blurry and jittering, and pop-up-book-ish. Most of the lines in the script were, I think, badly written. The plot was awkward and a bit silly. And what themes were in the movie were mostly either cliche or humanistic.
Overall, I was very disappointed. I have always loved the characters in this franchise, and the Narnia movies usually make me cry -- something I don't usually do while watching movies. This movie was actually a bit boring. I wasn't at all drawn emotionally to the characters. The bad scenes were very bad, and the good scenes were mediocre at best. On a scale from one to ten, one being the worst, ten being the best, and five being absolutely in the middle, I would give this movie somewhere between a 2.5 or a 3.7.
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Actually I thought this movie was the best of the Walden franchise so far. LWW is merely the repeat of a famous classic that would have drawn the crowds no matter what. PC was also done well, in comparison with the minimalist BBC version. This VDT movie leads on quite competently from its Walden predecessor, continuing on with the character developments made in that film, and improving on them in some cases, especially Edmund, Lucy, Reepicheep and Caspian, himself. This is something that the BBC VDT could not hope to emulate. I didn't feel that any alterations detracted from the movie, or misrepresented the book, and felt that the acting was good, the scenery excellent, the film flowed well without draggy bits, and that the whole story was told well in a terrific adaptation. I cried in the VDT closing scenes, something I managed not to do even in LWW's climactic scene of Aslan's death, well-done though it was.
It would have been better if we had seen Eustace's shock at realising he was a dragon, but this might be a big ask even for today's technology. I felt the dragon was well-done. The dragon couldn't speak of course, but its body language showed heaps, especially when it cried, and how it listened to the VDT discussions of what to do about it. Reepicheep's consoling, teaching and encouragement of the dragon was really a nice part of the movie. And so far, this was all from the book. I had no problems with the undragonning realising the PG implications of any other way of doing it, and that even in the book, we don't actually see how Eustace was undragonned, only his telling Edmund. Also that Eustace, unlike Aravis, in a later book, had not been taught to tell stories.
I do accept that not everyone is going to like this movie. In some ways it tells uncomfortable truths about the characters, maybe those in the audience who identify with them. But when I read the previous reviews I wondered in fact if the movie I watched was the same one the reviewers preceding this post had watched. Or is this a movie where what you bring to its viewing also determines what you get out of it?
So much so that I am wondering how long ago did some of the horrified reviewers ahead of me really read VDT? How much did they understand of it? And were they far too preoccupied with what others with them might have thought to pay attention to the movie itself? Consistently among criticisms I have observed that people seem to shut off the instant they reach a point debated here, without bothering to see, listen and note, what comes directly afterwards. No wonder then they can't engage with the movie. I rather suspect that the people most dissatisfied with the movie might be also the very ones who were dissatisfied with it at every point in the last year, or others who paid them too much heed.
The second and third time I saw this movie I really enjoyed it far more than the first time, whether I saw it in 3D or 2D. Fortunately I wasn't accompanied that first time by the sort of fellow teenagers who like to pour scorn on everything one likes and who seem to think that everything is cheesy, even a line like 'pass the mustard'. Or the cheese. In contrast, my companions were mature people who really enjoyed that movie.
We were issued with glasses to view 3D. If you take them off, of course the screen is blurry. If you watch the movie in 2D, you don't need the glasses, the movie is fine, and 3D effects don't distract or pop out at you as they also did, and somewhat moreso, in Alice in Wonderland. In Clash of the Titans I wondered if they had 3D at all, since it made little difference whether or not I was wearing glasses.
Having said that, I liked the characterisation in the movie. I liked that King Caspian did not have a hissy fit, unlike the book, which did refer to Caspian's Miraz-like tendencies. PC did portray Miraz and his opinion of the 4 Pevensies and his brother's murder, did it not? And so I can see well how this suggests that King Caspian might have had father issues, including VDT's search for his father's seven friends.
I liked that the film shows exactly why Edmund might still have issues with power and 'playing second-fiddle', with others, not only Peter. When reading the book, I was too inclined to take Edmund's side at Deathwater Island, and couldn't understand Aslan growling at the lot of them.
I thought Dark Island was made a lot more meaningful in the film, rather than the passing episode it was in the book. Nightmares are horrible, and they often say a lot about the people having them. White witch nightmares are true nightmares for Edmund, Father issue nightmares are true for Caspian. And the sea serpent coming to life at Dark Island also makes sense, playing into sailors' known superstitions. Whereas in the book, the sea serpent episode was a somewhat ad-hoc incident happening on the way.
What is the sort of nightmare which my predecessors on this thread fear most coming true? Their friends not liking the sorts of things they like? Having to stand out from the crowd? I am sorry that if this the case that they ruined for themselves a lovely movie, and hope they revisit it again sometime in the future. Probably at Christmas.
One recommendation with this film that you should see it at least twice, preferably three times, even if you abesolutely hated it the first. You may find that the plot runs more smoothly, and some of the themes are much more noticable when you see it a few extra times. At least it was with me.
"The mountains are calling and I must go, and I will work on while I can, studying incessantly." -John Muir
"Be cunning, and full of tricks, and your people will never be destroyed." -Richard Adams, Watership Down