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Sir Jack
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When I watched the film this kind of distracted me:
during the cornatin of Miraz all these different Lords plege there troops. and one of them says:
"Galma pledges its troops"

Galma?!
If I'm not totaly confused thats an island, east from Narnia.
I just thought it strange, that the Telmar people, that fear the sea and the east so much, that the let this giant wood grow, would be inhabitating a island like Galma. /:)

well, I was wondering, whether any body here had an idea what the filmakers might have thought.

Topic starter Posted : May 23, 2010 10:48 pm
Bookwyrm
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They also mention the Ettinsmoor, which is an equally absurd geographical location considering there was never anything there but giants. We pretty much came to the conclusion that they wanted some Narnia-sounding names and picked some out at random.

Posted : May 23, 2010 11:39 pm
Reepi
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Didn't they even mention calormen (kinda inpractical or wouldn't it be)?

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Posted : May 24, 2010 2:46 am
CorazonBandido55
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They mentioned Tashbaan also, which is also absurd. All we can do about this is try and do some damage control. Maybe there are Narnian consulates in each of these countries that have a small military presence. Can anyone come up with another reasonable sounding excuse :)

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Posted : May 24, 2010 8:04 am
Liberty Hoffman
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They also mention the Ettinsmoor, which is an equally absurd geographical location considering there was never anything there but giants. We pretty much came to the conclusion that they wanted some Narnia-sounding names and picked some out at random.

yes! it is strange! the only inhabitants of Ettinsmoor are giants and there are no giants in the battle.....
I watched that scene once while looking at a copy of the Narnia map and I laughed. I think they basically read the places off the map on random to sound Narnian, not bothering to find out if the locations made sense :P
do it. watch that part in PC with a copy of the map. you might laugh too. :D :))


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Posted : May 24, 2010 9:19 am
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I forgot them mentioning Tashbaan. I do remember them saying Galma and and Ettinsmoor which yes is a land inhabited by the giants or maybe that the ruined city of the ancient giants was attacked by Telmar and maybe that's how giants became enemies to humans. It could be a bit possible.


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Posted : May 24, 2010 11:33 am
tenthofthatname
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I forgot them mentioning Tashbaan. I do remember them saying Galma and and Ettinsmoor which yes is a land inhabited by the giants or maybe that the ruined city of the ancient giants was attacked by Telmar and maybe that's how giants became enemies to humans. It could be a bit possible.

I like this idea. It seemed weird to me that an entire civilization of humans that could drive the Narnians into hiding or apparent "extinction" would live in one little castle town the way it's implied in the book. To me the Telmarines living close to the castle were more like civilians and classes ranging from the court to some urban peasants. I think that makes sense since Sopespian sneers at Miraz about not using his own men (soldiers who protect the city itself) and it looks like Miraz was smart to keep his troops around the castle...because they shut down the castle raid soundly, whereas Peter thought those same men weren't guarding the castle (boy was Peter wrong). While this was going on there were troops at Beruna. Where did they come from? I don't think all of those men could have been concentrated in the town at the castle alone. It just makes more sense that the Telmarines would try to exercise full control within their borders since they did manage to take all of it from the Narnians.

The Tashbaan thing makes less sense to me, I felt like any Telmarine presence in Calormen would be more like ambassadors and purely for diplomatic purposes, not military ones. But if I recall right there's going to be some Calormene presence in VDT so maybe they will expand on the political connections Telmarine-Narnia had with these other places.

Posted : May 24, 2010 3:47 pm
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I assumed that the Lords of Galma and Ettinsmoor were not actually living in those places, that these were just decorative titles and the men stuck close to the main body of Telmarine civilization in Narnia. They would have estates outside the cities and troops of their own, but might never see the lands they supposedly hold. The Narnian kings used to rule those far off places effectively (Remember Peter the Magnificent exacted tribute from the Giants and sailed to Galma) but the Telmarines ruled only in name.

Tashbaan I can't explain, though.

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Posted : May 24, 2010 7:59 pm
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I always thought they said "Galma pledges it's truce." If so that makes a lot more sense as to why Anvard or Ettinsmoor would be mentioned- that they're pledging their alliance/ peace with the new King of Narnia.

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Posted : March 30, 2011 2:18 am
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Yes, I was pretty confused when I heard this as well. I'm glad I'm not the only one. :p I guess we can come up with some excuses (well except for Tashbann, I think we would have to stretch that one) but really, I think it was just an error. :)


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Posted : April 2, 2011 2:21 pm
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@Valiant, wasn't Telmar at one point under Calormene control? If so then wouldn't Tashbann actually make more sense than Ettinsmoor? I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure they were at once a Calormene colony...

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Posted : April 2, 2011 6:21 pm
Valiant
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@Valiant, wasn't Telmar at one point under Calormene control? If so then wouldn't Tashbann actually make more sense than Ettinsmoor? I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure they were at once a Calormene colony...

According to the timeline, Calormen colonized Telmar at one point, but they left before the "Telmarines" from our world arrived. Even if Telmar was formally under Calormen control, I can't see the Tisroc "pledging his troops" to any other king. :p


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Posted : April 3, 2011 1:59 pm
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No but I still think he said "truce" which might make more sense under that scenario... (*makes mental note to listen to PC with subtitles... when she is able too in about a month :| )

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Posted : April 3, 2011 2:18 pm
Quinlin
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I never really noted this fault until I read through this topic. I guess I just overlooked that part, though now that you bring that up, it's actually quite confusing as to why they are mentioning a pledging of troops for places that were not civilized by the Telmarines or simply didn't geographically make sense.

I always thought they said "Galma pledges it's truce." If so that makes a lot more sense as to why Anvard or Ettinsmoor would be mentioned- that they're pledging their alliance/ peace with the new King of Narnia.

It would definitely make more sense if it was 'truce' instead of 'troops'. I ran through the PC Screenplay Transcript they typed up here on NW, but for some reason all of those lines are cut out from the script we compiled...strange for they might have provided a more accurate answer. All the NW transcript did was summarize the scene...not mentioning of any of the places they spoke of when Miraz was crowned.

"A few Telmarine workers put the final piece of the bridge into place. Miraz walks down the great hall and Sopespian places a crown on his head. He rises, and sits in the throne. They all bow.
Miraz walks out onto a balcony in the courtyard, where the Telmarine people shout “Long live the king!” The Telmarine army begins crossing the bridge."

Considering thought, that since this coronation scene takes place, while the Telamarine troops are marching to battle, that sways back to it being 'Galma pledges its troops'. My conclusion is that, as others have mentioned they added all these Narnia locations in, because it simply sounded more dramatic for this climactic scene! ;)


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Posted : April 4, 2011 10:34 am
Dinode
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I remember Galma and Ettinsmoor, but not the others. Maybe Anvard.

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