As a result of the lack of news lately, I haven't really posted in the GMD thread. However, I thought that we could go back and discuss LWW which is probably my favorite Narnia movie and book.
Anyways, the question is: How do you feel about LWW as a film in general and as an adaptation?
Some things to think about:
-Did you like the actors and how the characters were translated to screen?
-Did you like what was added/taken away/changed from the book?
-Did you like the set design?
-How did you feel about the dialogue?
-How have your inital feelings on the film changed?
-Do you think the film has "aged well"?
Discuss away!
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First of all my overall impression: Great film, good adaptation
1) I can't think of any actor who did a bad job in LWW. But in my opinion both Skandar and Georgie did outstanding jobs portraying Edmund and Lucy. Since Edmund has always been my favourite character I was quite sceptical that anyone could play Edmund as I imagined him, but Skandar nearly surpassed all my expectations. And Lucy was also quite perfect...
In general I did like nearly all characters and how they were translated to the screen. They could have stressed the importance of Aslan for Narnia a little bit more, but yeah... you always could have done things better
2) Well, as I said, the only thing I didn't really like was the way they changed Aslan. By only watching the film I doesn't come across that Aslan is Narnia's only hope. Someone who hasn't read the book could get the impression that there is a possibility for the Pevensies to rescue Narnia without the help of Aslan. Of course they do need Aslan's help in the end, but in my opinion this is too little stressed throughout the film.
3) Yeah, I loved the set design
4) I think also the dialogue was pretty well done (if you have VDT in your mind ). I especially enjoyed the dialogue between the Pevensies at the beginning.
5) To be honest, my initial feelings on the film haven't changed at all. I watched the film countless times, but I still love it . So, I do also think that the film has aged well
This film was a perfect adaption of LWW in my eyes. I just loved the credit scene in the beginning with the train. It was so pretty and atmospheric with "Evacuating London." The waterfall scene with Maugrim was also a nice addition.
Strong moments: Opening credits, Hide and seek, Meeting Tumnus, Almost everything with Edmund in the Witch's house, Father Christmas, Arriving at Aslan's camp (love how this whole scene was filmed), Peter vs the Witch.
Weak moments: Almost everything at the Beavers house, the melting river, the thaw (!!!), Aslan showing Peter Cair Paravel, Rescuing Edmund, Peter vs Maugrim, Aslan's return, the girls riding on Aslan, restoring the statues.
Still a decent film and a decent adaptation. My one word review: "Fine." The best part is the casting.
I still really like the first thirty minutes. After that, it starts getting gradually less good, but ultimately ends on a fairly strong note. Pretty well-made movie, overall.
Thanks in large part to Adamson's directing and Georgie Henley's acting, the movie captures the openness of childhood from the book quite well. But it mostly misses the mystery surrounding the character of Aslan, which is what I think drives the entire middle act of the book.
For me, there are a few bits that drag in the film but none of them are in crucial parts of the narrative flow, everything else is pretty much spot on.
The part that drags for me the most is when the remaining Penvensies are running on the ice thinking they are being chased by the White Witch. Once you know this is not the situation, it's kinda boring to me as it's purely a suspense type of scene in itself and is not really connected to the overall story in any other way. I only find the following Santa scene and waterfall scene o.k. but then once arriving at the camp the film picks up momentum again steadily towards a great third act.
I guess i really pretty much liked everything about the first and third acts, with the second act being well done but having a few more lightweight moments not really adding anything to the overall narrative that is involving me in the story.
Full of great stuff though, the castle and statues really otherworldly as far as the danger of the film goes, and almost abit of a shame when the magical oppressiveness of the White Witch starts to lift from Narnia as far the general atmosphere in the film goes. The mystical shared moment between Jadis and Aslan at her death is quite epic.
-Did you like the actors and how the characters were translated to screen? Yes! There are no actors I don't like!
-Did you like what was added/taken away/changed from the book? There wasn't much added or taken away, so I'll say yes. There are ity bity details, but not enough to catch my attention
-Did you like the set design? I really did.
-How did you feel about the dialogue? There were some lines that were a bit so-so, but overall the lines were good. Nothing cheesy!
-How have your initial feelings on the film changed? I have grown to love it all the more
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I had seen this in theaters when I was only eight years old without any knowledge of the book. I thought I going to hate it for some reason, but I really liked it a lot. I thought it was the best movie ever or something. I also remember getting a Mr. Beaver Happy Meal toy a day or two before.
Well now that I'm a book fan, I can now share my thoughts on this as a film and adaptation.
My favorite things and best things from the movie were Aslan's Sacrifice, Lucy finding the Wardrobe and meeting of Mr. Tumnus, and the coronation of the Pevensies. I also liked the casting of Mr. Tumnus, Lucy, and Aslan a lot, though I liked the other characters too.
My least favorite things and worst things from the movie was the near death of Edmund, because it wasn't made obvious enough to me(I didn't even know that the White Witch was trying to kill Edmund when I was younger), the melting of the snow, because it was said that the children were the reason the snow was melting, not Aslan, and the freeing of the statues. It was too short, and the statues didn't seem to be that rejoicing. Tying into that, the battle was focused on longer than Aslan's resurrection scenes.
I thought the dialogue was excellent, though there were a few moments of cheesiness("No more ice!" for example.)
I think this has been the only Narnia film that has aged well, since it is the only one I really hear people outside of NarniaWeb or any other Narnia fan sites talk about.
Great film, and good enough adaptation. Film score:8/10 Adaptation score:6/10
Just watched LWW again. I found it to be a very good movie and a quality adaptation. The list of Pros is too long, so here are the Cons of the movie.
Size of Narnia - it never seemed all that large
Several dodgy greenscreen backgrounds
Emphasis on children saving Narnia, not Aslan
Wolves look friendly but are meant to be killing machines (and aren't even wolves)
Waterfall scene - technically impressive but rather silly
Some dodgy CGI
Several silly jokes/lines that were out of place
Maugrim versus Peter - not very heroic, more an accident
Phillip not a good name for a Narnian horse
Night scenes don't look like night scenes
1970's fast streaming effect at the end of battle is silly and distracting
Otherwise a very good movie. 7.5/10
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-Did you like the actors and how the characters were translated to screen?
yes! yes! YES! I love the actors and they all did an amazing job!
-Did you like what was added/taken away/changed from the book?
very much so I am especially and big fan of The Frozen River sequence
-Did you like the set design?
the set design is, in my eyes, flawless
-How did you feel about the dialogue?
it is really well done!
-How have your inital feelings on the film changed?
I love the movie exactly how I liked it the very first time I saw it the first time I saw it, I was in awe. I still am
-Do you think the film has "aged well"?
yes I still hear people, Narnia fans and non-Narnian fans, say how much they liked and still like LWW
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I ended up watching LWW again a few weeks ago, so now I can probably relate back to this topic a little more with ease.
-Did you like the actors and how the characters were translated to screen?
Absolutely. All four main actors feel like the Pevensie characters themselves and they do feel like a real family. If this were not the case, I don't believe the film would have been as believable or succesful.
-Did you like what was added/taken away/changed from the book?
In terms of additions, for the most part, yes. I didn't like the sound of the run around of the three Pevenises going to rescue Edmund from the Witch's castle in the first go round, but seeing it in full, it does work. I'm actually one who likes the Frozen Waterfall scene. I like the addition of urgency of trying to reach Aslan's camp before getting caught. There's not a real scene with that in the book that suggests that the journey to Aslan's camp was difficult (yes, there is the thought of Father Christmas being the WW and the journey is exhausting for the travelers, but there's not this sort of danger). I also like the fact that the Pevensies receive Narnian clothes to wear. I never imagined it that way when reading the book, but of course it makes perfect sense (and I'm sure the actors were even happier than I was). But one of my favorite additions is the expansion to the Air Raid- what a way to start the film and introduce the main characters.
As for what was left out, the only thing I can really think that I missed is the liberation of statues at the WW castle. It was a very short scene and moved very quickly back to the battle. I can understand this in terms of pacing, but it would have been nice to see a bit more (perhaps going into the castle's interior as well). And I do agree with what's been said about the Pevensies saving Narnia instead of Aslan. I didn't pick up on it much in earlier viewings, but there's not a lot mentioned about Aslan- i.e. the scene at the Beavers in the book as compared to the film. Suddenly it becomes a pairing of the Pevenises working with Aslan will save the day because the Pevensies have made it that way (Mr. Beaver: "Aslan's return, Tumnus' arrest, the secret police... it's all happening because of you").
-Did you like the set design?
Of course.
-How did you feel about the dialogue?
I have to say it was good because I didn't notice anything out of place. It's believable, if it feels natural, then it works. Simple as that.
-How have your inital feelings on the film changed?
I had re-watched the film again recently since probably over a year's time and I had forgotten how much I love it. Is it the perfect film, no, but I still love it as much as my first viewing.
-Do you think the film has "aged well"?
I would say so. I haven't grown tired of it .
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Waterfall scene - technically impressive but rather silly
Not to single you out, but I've heard these kind of complaints for a while now. A lot of people don't understand that what makes a movie work is completely different from what makes a book work.
I've been making independent films for years and am going to school for it, so I've learned quite a bit about it. Movie scenes need to have conflict, otherwise there's no point to the scene. And because film is a visual medium, you need to keep the audience's interest in a different way than a book does.
The waterfall scene is absolutely necessary. Without it, the plot would lag and become way too slow, and the audience would become bored.
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I think the film was really good overall. It's definitely my favorite out of all the Narnia films (although my view of PC was very much tainted by the Suspian kiss). I liked a lot of the small things they added, but I think the waterfall scene didn't need to be there. It did add urgency, but if you think about it, the scene doesn't make sense. Why didn't Susan use her horn? Even if she didn't want to fight with her arrows, she still could have used her horn for help.
Besides that, I thought it was really good. Some people don't like the scene where Aslan turns people back to life. I really liked the effect that Aslan's breath was "ruffling" Mr. Tumnus even though he was still stone. And I loved the casting. The new actors really captured the idea of ordinary people being thrust into a big role and a big responsibility and the essence of childhood and that child-like faith needed to get into Narnia.
As for effects, I can't really give much of an opinion since I am not good at identifying good or bad effects, unless it's painfully obvious like in the BBC movies.
I think the only thing that i would say about the waterfall scene is that i don't like Susan saying they should listen to the wolf. And it isn't that i don't think that might be what Susan would say. I mean that is consistent with what her character does throughout the film sort of wanting to hold back and all that. I just think the wolf has a friend by the throat so maybe you shouldn't listen to him.
I think that it makes sense that Susan would say that i just disagree with her thought process which we are supposed to so i think it works. I mean Susan was wrong and they shouldn't listen to the wolf which was the point. So the scene was tense and exciting with good conflict of thought between Peter and Susan. It was good.
I am not sure if that made any sense, but it did in my head.
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BowAndArrow, no. I understand that the pacing of the scene is lacking the book in that area and that the pursuing wolves are pretty much forgotten (which ruins the suspense of the chase) but I'm talking about the waterfall scene from a script point of view. It wasn't well-written, it was cliche and just silly. On my first viewing of LWW, I had no issue with it, but on further watches, the reality of the scene struck me as out-of-place.
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The scene might have been necessary, but it was executed very poorly. The dialogue smacked of something written between takes, it was so poor.