i've been thinking lately, we narnia fans go BESERK whenever there is the mention of a change to the books for the movie. i mean like why does it matter so much? i am just as guilty of this as the next guy, but why did i have to get so up in arms? i'm gonna go all Harry Potter on everyone (sorry ) but did the HP fans freak out when they heard about the new scene not written by J.K. Rowling being added to the Half-Blood Prince movie? not really...why do we care so much if there is a mysterious little girl? why do we care if seven islands are CONSOLIDATED into five? why can't we let it rest and wait? the only way that i am going to make it until Dec. 10 is by not freaking out. give me your thoughts...
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Exactly my thoughts. Sure there are plenty of things I am so unsure about. An "Unfathomable fate", the MLG(not so worried anymore) and Five islands. But truly as much as we speculate, in the end there is only one answer for each of our many questions.
Why do we freak out at a change? Because we love the Narnia series and want to make sure everything is done to preserve their beloved quality and put on the Silver Screen. When things, plot lines, characters are changed (or created , it absolutely has to be for the better, or else we(or at least, I),feel our beloved books aren't getting the credit they deserve. Despite fandom, though, especially in uncertain areas of the filmmaking, sometimes it's best not to completely get caught up in trying to figure everything out when few people actually know exactly what will be.
Finally...ALL WILL BE REVEALED DEC. 10TH!! And sure that means holding our breath, desperately trying to speed up the clock, being patient. But hey? Isn't that what life is all about?
P.S. The time for outrage comes post-premiere time...
I agree, as long as they get the major scenes I'm not too worried. I don't mind adding scenes, I know some do, but I don't. I've said this before, but I'll say it again, why should we judge a movie if we haven't even seen it yet.
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I don't think a lot of people here are "judging the movie" they are simply speculating. Speculation is the main reason this forum exists; it's fun to talk about ways certain changes might play out, and whether or not you think you'll like those changes. Now certainly there are those who go past speculation to the point that it's obsessive (and I'm not saying we have any of those here) but I think most of us realize that it's not the end of the world if they make a few little (or big) changes even if we do freak out a bit when we first hear about them.
There is nothing wrong with good, healthy speculation, which I would say is mostly what we have here.
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For some it is a matter of seeing a precious toy that you have held and treasured since early childhood taken from you to be transformed into something new and you hope that it still holds the same wonder and emotional importance that it did in its original form.
For others it is merely the hope that they can be faithful to the story and something that was a childhood favorite is still recognizable at the end.
And for other still, it is like narnialover101 said, good, healthy speculation to keep our minds occupied while waiting for the final product.
At least no matter what happens, we still have the original form in the books.
Personally, I don't even like the word "adaptation". To adapt something is to change it. I prefer the term "translation". To translate something is to tell it using different words. This is what I expect from book-to-movie-"adaptations": to see the story told on the screen that I read in the book. I dissect all adaptations of books I have read. I ask: Why did they do that? If I can find a logical answer to my question then I'm fine with it. Tom Bombadil was left out of LotR because of time--this makes sense. The Suspian romance was added because "Susan is older and Caspian is cute"--this does not make sense.
I like puzzles, and book-to-movie-adaptations(translations) are puzzles. In the end, the movie will be what it will be, but if what is omitted or what is added does not make sense I won't like it.
good point, Tirian12!
I honestly don't care what they change! when PC came out, I LOVED all of the changes.....so I am sure I will like all of the changes on VotDT!
and none of us have even seen VotDT yet! so how can we know how all the changes are going to effect the story? we will just ahve to wait and see! and the moviemakers can't please everybody. this is their interpretation of VotDT! besides, the movie is already made. so we are just goning to have to live with the changes......
I am looking forward to this next Narnia movie. I am not panicking anymore! I can't wait......
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well, i didn't love the changes in PC but they were acceptable. what i'm trying to say is that we're a lot of freakin pessimist, lol, but it's true, we look at something (like the five islands) and we go all puddleglum on it.
i agree with you Starkat about the toy thing, but i love narnia so much that i've kinda gotten past the speculation and i'm just waiting, i love narnia and thats all that matters. the books will never be the movies; i care that VDT is a good movie in itself, i don't care as much that it's faithful to the books because i love movies, i'm actually a bit of a snob in that sense, i direct and act and i just want to see a good film. i mean look at Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince; it was a fantastic movie, the public loved it, it had a great story, great characters, great special effects (some of the best i've ever seen maybe even #2 next to Avatar), and it made nearly a billion dollars, and yet it left out key parts from the book, does that make it bad? does it dishoner the Harry Potter series? No, I think that it is actually better for the series, because people who saw the movie and had not read the books will say, "WOW! that was awesome, I'll go read the book."
see what i'm saying?
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The only problem with comparing Narnia to HP, Tirian12, is HP is much more recent than Narnia. The movies were already being released before the series was even complete, whereas Narnia was around for more than fifty years before the first movie came out. The fanbase is going to react differently because it's been around much longer.
i don't see how that follows daughter of the King
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I think the difference for me is that Aslan is supposed to be God and therefore in the books his character is very much the character of God, all-powerful, all-knowing. Aslan is sort of behind the events of the book. He is the reason that winter is ending and spring is coming.
In the films, that is not so. Aslan is not God. He is the leader of the kings, but not God and, for me, that is a big change.
I really like Harry Potter a lot, but the books are just not as good as the Chronicles of Narnia, in my opinion. They are very much about humanity and people's choices which is good and there is value in that.
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i don't see how that follows daughter of the King
Perhaps because it's been around so much longer, the fans are more emotionally attached to it, and therefore react stronger to any changes.
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but that doesn't have anything to do with time, the Narnia and Harry Potter series are both timeless. i've seen many, many, many HP fans who are just as attached to HP as we are to Narnia (myself included). i think actually that HP fans are much more devoted than most Narnia fans because see what they've gone through, the book series ended two years ago, Narnia ended FIFTY-two years ago, so we didn't have to go through the sadness of seeing our series end, it already ended. what's more we're only on the third movie, they're on 7/8, i think that HP fans might be more emotionally attached than we are.
@decarus, i can see what you're saying about Aslan being God, but i think that Harry is a Christ figure, the seventh book is so full of Christian themes, there's also something to that.
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For me...I suppose it doesn't really bother me if there are some changes to the film. I mean, a film isn't supposed to be the exact same as the book.
That's why there are films! If the films were the same as the books--there would be no need to make films!
So, I very much enjoy the film-version of books as much as I do the original. I don't necessarily think that the films are always better than the books, but equal. The author wrote the book on paper. The director took the same story and brought it to screen in a different way.
They are the same stories, but with different approaches. If the director feels the need to add a character, I'm fine with it. But the author felt that he shouldn't include that character, that's fine. There are needs to add characters in films and needs to remove characters from books.
I say whatever changes the director makes is for the better...it's just making the author's book come alive in a different way.
Now that we're done with filming...I'm relativly calm. I am no longer worried about VDT. I am just anxious to see how Michael Apted has brought this book alive onscreen !
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@decarus, i can see what you're saying about Aslan being God, but i think that Harry is a Christ figure, the seventh book is so full of Christian themes, there's also something to that.
I definitely see the connection the sacrifice of Christ in Harry, but Harry is not supposed to be God. He does show sacrifice, but he can still be falliable and human. Aslan is god in the books and sometimes in the films he is not. It is hard for me to deal with character changes more then with added scenes or moving things around.
They are the same stories, but with different approaches. If the director feels the need to add a character, I'm fine with it. But the author felt that he shouldn't include that character, that's fine. There are needs to add characters in films and needs to remove characters from books.
I agree that changes are going to be necessary to show what the book was trying to get across because they can't tell it like you can in a book. The thing is i don't think the stories are the same in PC because the character of Aslan is not the same. I don't really see PC as Narnia. They could have made all the same changes and if they had just fixed some of the dialogue to make Aslan's character the character of God i would have been more likely to see it as Narnia.
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