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DamselJillPole
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Micheal Apted said it was at the "end" in an interview. So i don't know how when Eustace was in his human form in the sea of lillies and at Aslan's Country. I guess we have to wait and see. :-s


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Posted : July 27, 2010 11:06 pm
Trufflehunter
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On the Narnia.com website, between Ramandu's Island and what appears to be Dark Island, there is a weird sea monster like thing. It looks like the sea serpent from the book, except it has the upper body of a human. It looks more like a merperson now that I think about it. However, the pre-viz shot from the PC DVD does in fact show a sea serpent.
If Ramandu's Island comes before Dark Island in the movie, then it fits perfectly between the two on the map. This might indicate where the sea serpent and or merpeople battle will take place in the film. Is this where Eustace will battle the sea serpent? Is this where the "battle below water" against the merpeople could take place? What do you think? If Ramandu's Island comes before Dark Island in the movie, then it fits perfectly between the two on the map. This might indicate where the sea serpent and or merpeople battle will take place in the film.

I think this might fit in with the "being tested" bit in the film. Maybe Eustace is not saving the Dawn Treader from the Sea Serpent to earn back his "undragoning," maybe it is more that he actually WANTS to save them. This is a bit different, for if he does it as an act of bravery and kindness, then it is better that Aslan would "undragon" him for this reason, as opposed to as because he "saved all of their lives."

"I'm a beast I am, and a Badger what's more. We don't change. We hold on. I say great good will come of it... And we beasts remember, even if Dwarfs forget, that Narnia was never right except when a son of Adam was King." -Trufflehunter

Topic starter Posted : July 28, 2010 2:55 am
daughter of the King
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Two things: 1. icarus pointed out that according what we've heard they're going to defeat the sea serpent by rowing the boat into a rock. Eustace is not going to save them.
2. Wasn't there a report that Michael Flaherty took a whole day to explain the meaning of grace and insisted that Eustace can't earn his redemption?

This is a bit different, for if he does it as an act of bravery and kindness, then it is better that Aslan would "undragon" him for this reason, as opposed to as because he "saved all of their lives."

That's still not a good reason. Eustace can not earn his redemption in any way, shape, or form. If he earns it, then it is not redemption. Redemption cannot be earned, which is why grace is so important.

Aha! I found it (scroll down):http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/movies/news/2010/willdawntreaderfloat.html?start=2

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Posted : July 28, 2010 4:14 am
decarus
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Yes there was a report where there was a long discussion about the importance of grace. That doesn't convince me that they get it. I am not really convinced that they get Aslan's character at all.

I am going to wait and see though. I hadn't read the report that the sea serpent would be smashed against some rocks by the Dawn Treader. The thing is that Eustace still may do something that they may connect to his undragoning because it does seem like he will be a dragon when the battle begins at the dark island.

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Posted : July 28, 2010 7:51 am
Liberty Hoffman
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we don't know anything yet. we have theories only. so, I think it's safe to say that it could go either way. Eustace may be a dragon for a long time or a short time. we just don't know! :D
so I am not going to set my heart on either way and just see how it comes out! because, I know I am going to like whatever they do!


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Posted : July 28, 2010 8:45 am
decarus
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I am not going to like whatever they do. They crossed the line with PC though it is easier to deal with once i decided that it isn't really Narnia. This film may not really be Narnia either.

I do think we know that Eustace will be a dragon for longer. We don't know exactly how long, but it does seem to be over a larger portion of the film.

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Posted : July 28, 2010 9:04 am
DamselJillPole
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I'm actually beginning to like what you're saying Trufflehunter! ;)

In the book I remember Caspian and his crew talking about how they would bring Eustace aboard the ship or if he would follow and the talk of leaving him behind. Perhaps they do and this is Eustace's test. It would look really cool to see Caspian and the whole crew caught up in a battle and them feeling hopeless until they hear a roar far off and see Eustace coming back to save the day. I think it would look fantastic and emotional on screen.

Sure the book had its' emotional parts but on film i can understand them doing something like this and I'm sure it'll look great. ;)


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Posted : July 28, 2010 9:13 am
Trufflehunter
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I agree completely DamselJillPole!

"I'm a beast I am, and a Badger what's more. We don't change. We hold on. I say great good will come of it... And we beasts remember, even if Dwarfs forget, that Narnia was never right except when a son of Adam was King." -Trufflehunter

Topic starter Posted : July 28, 2010 6:00 pm
Shastafan
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I'm confused :- ... I thought it was confirmed that Eustace would have Aslan turn him back into a human.

Link: http://www.narniaweb.com/2010/03/dawn-t ... t-details/

Then, of course, Eustace still could fight the sea monster before then, but I think it still makes it seem that Eustace is earning Aslan's grace. Flaherty did inform the writers that you don't earn grace, but you recieve it.

As for Eustace possibly remaining a dragon longer then Goldwater Island, it leaves me nervous. Dragon Island and Goldwater is unusual enough ( I'm imagining Eustace finding golden silverware, golden rugs and golden books in the dragon's cave =)) ), but he stays a dragon longer then in the book, I think I'll go crazy! But I guess as long as he isn't still a dragon by the time they reach Dark Island, I think it won't be too bad... #:-s


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Posted : August 2, 2010 7:36 am
Trufflehunter
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Well, yeah it have been confirmed that Eustace will be undragoned, but we still don't know when. I think some people are still convinced that Eustace will somehow help to defeat the darkness at Dark Island...

"I'm a beast I am, and a Badger what's more. We don't change. We hold on. I say great good will come of it... And we beasts remember, even if Dwarfs forget, that Narnia was never right except when a son of Adam was King." -Trufflehunter

Topic starter Posted : August 2, 2010 2:42 pm
Dinode
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May I point out that the quote does not necessarily say that there is just 1 action scene which involves a dragon and a sea serpent. It might be saying that there is a battle with a sea serpent near the end and there is also an action scene involving a dragon. This might be wishful thinking, but it is a possibility.

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Posted : August 10, 2010 5:38 pm
Glumpuddle
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I think it would probably make sense to have Eustace be a dragon longer than he is in the book. In the book, we really get inside Eustace' head. Because it's a book. You can do that so easily.

In a movie, I think you need more time to visually show his transformation as a character.


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Posted : August 10, 2010 8:40 pm
Trufflehunter
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hmm... that's true glumPuddle! I do still think it would be really cool to be able to see Eustace writing in his journal before he is turned into a dragon, and just somehow showing his thoughts without making it too corny. In the book, I absolutely LOVED the part where Dragon Eustace tries to write a message in the sand, but waves wash different parts away.

Welcome to Narniaweb Dinode! You're right, I would certainly prefer that the Sea Serpent and Dragon scenes are seperate, and I didn't necessarily approach the quote in that direction. I definitely hope this is how it will be in the movie!

"I'm a beast I am, and a Badger what's more. We don't change. We hold on. I say great good will come of it... And we beasts remember, even if Dwarfs forget, that Narnia was never right except when a son of Adam was King." -Trufflehunter

Topic starter Posted : August 11, 2010 3:29 am
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