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icarus
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ChristianityToday.com did a very long 3-page article on the recent Dawn Treader presentation that was attended by NarniaWeb and NarniaFans, and amongst many interesting quotes about the nature of the adaptation from those in attendance (mostly all very positive) they did reveal one potentialy massive piece of plot related spoilery information:

BE WARNED:

HOWEVER, to put this in context....

On a more positive, but equally very spoilery note, here is something which should put to rest some of our fears about something else we've heard recently:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/mov ... float.html

Please read the full article before jumping to any rash conclusions about the quotes i have selected there. Please also confine any discussion of such issues to this thread for the time being.

Topic starter Posted : March 2, 2010 11:59 am
Anonymous
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Wow, icarus, you beat me. :p I just notified NW newsposters about the article. And I've also posted it on Aslan's Country news. ;)

Context of spoiler #1 [i.e. #2]
1. The person quoted is female [Kathy Keller].
2. I don't think she's talking about the old script. She attended the Narnia Summit. And it says in the CT article that the filmmakers, at the summit, "showed clips from Dawn Treader and went through the entire script." [emphasis mine]

Spoiler #3: I was also relieved. But you failed to mention another plot reliever.

Posted : March 2, 2010 1:32 pm
icarus
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The person quoted is female [Kathy Keller].

Oops. Yes. Good spot, i'll correct that.

I don't think she's talking about the old script.

Neither do i really, and i'd be pretty certain that this is what all the talk of "unfathomable fate" and "borrowing from other books" has been about. However, given the magnitude of the spoiler, i felt i should at least offer up the potential of doubt, if only to make people think about things first before making any rash reactions:

i.e. (1) that the quote is at the very end of the article where the author is discussing "old" issues going way back to the very start of production, so it is possible that they could of been talking about some of that. and (2) the second spoiler tagged quote from the same person does seem to be slightly contradictory to what Michael Apted said before with regards to the "huge battle", though again that in itself depends on context and how you interpret things, and it is probably a fairly straight forward enough task to reconcile those two quotes with each other.

Like i said though, i dont think we should have much cause to doubt what the article is saying. I think we are more than safe in taking her quotes at face value.

Also its also worth pointing out that what is mentioned in the first quote is not exactly the same as the Stephen Knight script (even with what little we actually read of that). Though it does obviously share a couple of big similarities, and that is what people are most likely to jump on, so i thought people should at least take the time to consider the overall context and potential validity of the quote before hitting the panic buttons.

Topic starter Posted : March 2, 2010 1:44 pm
FriendofNarnia2
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Wow...um...I really don't know what to say.

It doesn't make very much sense to add in a witch, and why would you have to find the swords of the seven Lords? So does this mean they will no longer be looking for the Lords, only their swords? I would not like that.

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Posted : March 2, 2010 2:23 pm
icarus
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why would you have to find the swords of the seven Lords? So does this mean they will no longer be looking for the Lords, only their swords? I would not like that.

Yeah, that one has got me stumped too. I can't imagine for the life of me what sort of special significance the swords of seven Telmarine Lords could possibly have that they would be required to undo a witch's magic? Magical Swords? Surely that is completely contrary to the entire point of the Telmarines in Prince Caspian? It doesn't really make any sense to me.

Perhaps if it were the Stone Knife that were the essential item to be found, you might perhaps see their logic - its already in the book, and its significance already goes without saying - but seven swords? :-

Topic starter Posted : March 2, 2010 2:35 pm
FriendofNarnia2
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They suggest the addition isn't to intrusive, and I hope it is not, but it seems like such an addition will need a foundation to build upon.

I think we can be fairly confident the witch does not have a lot of screen time otherwise I think we would have had a casting announcement by now.

It was exciting and encouraging to read about the two critical scenes that they do have right. :)

Check out "The Magician's Nephew" and "The Last Battle" trailers I created!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwWtuk3Qafg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrPxboeZqrA

Posted : March 2, 2010 2:48 pm
decarus
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Interesting article. A witch. Okay. I am not really surprised. I have thought for awhile that there were going to be major changes.

I liked what they said about the last scene with Lucy and that they had worked on getting the theology right for this film. Eustace can't earn his undragoning. Spending a day talking about grace sounds worthwhile to me.

This is the first interview that seems slightly comforting in my opinion.

There are no clouds in the sky. There is only the open sun and the Lord watches.

Posted : March 2, 2010 2:51 pm
Glumpuddle
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"Yes! ... Yes!!! .... Hmmmm." I think that's the general reaction. :|

"There I have another name" is in the film!

They on the right track, thematically, with the undragoning.

Recovering swords? What the heck? The whole point of Caspian setting out is that he wants to right the wrongs Miraz committed. It is out of a sense of personal responsibility that he sets out to find the seven lords. I have no idea what Caspian wants with their swords, but they must keep that underlying motivation.

The witch? No. No. It's not true. It can't be true. She was talking about the leaked script. Yeah. She must have been. For sake of my own sanity, I'm gonna stick with that.


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Posted : March 2, 2010 3:43 pm
decarus
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But isn't she only talking about what she just saw? How would she know about leaked script? Only us crazies know about it.

There are no clouds in the sky. There is only the open sun and the Lord watches.

Posted : March 2, 2010 3:46 pm
ceppault
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I was most sensitive about Lucy and Aslan at the end of the book, and this expresses my feelings well.

Jerry Root, a Lewis expert and a professor at Wheaton College, agrees with Keller, saying if they don't get that scene right, "they might as well close up the shop and produce no more films, for they will not be Lewis' stories any more."

Really good news, overall.

I can certainly understand the willingness to reevaluate the success of the franchise and change how the books were adapted. Other than Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, adaptations of fantasy books into a series of movies have fallen flat.

... not sure if my words express that right.

“Safe?” said Mr. Beaver; “don’t you hear what Mrs. Beaver tells you? Who said anything about safe? ‘Course he isn’t safe. But he’s good. He’s the King, I tell you.”

Posted : March 2, 2010 4:03 pm
FriendofNarnia2
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I wonder if the discussion about grace was one of the reasons why they changed screenwriters.

The fact that Tirian heard nothing about a witch, yet the plot made sense to him, makes me think the witch plays a very small role in the film.

Check out "The Magician's Nephew" and "The Last Battle" trailers I created!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwWtuk3Qafg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrPxboeZqrA

Posted : March 2, 2010 4:05 pm
Lady Galadriel
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A lot of the article made me really happy to read -- like Michael Ward's description of Narnia being its own world from The Lord of the Rings. He's right: "Narnia is not Middle-Earth for preteens."

And also, the critical scenes we've been worrying about -- it sounds almost better than I could have hoped for. :D

But when it comes to recovering the seven lords' swords... :-o That is not the point of VDT. Why this has been added, I don't know... :(

Lady G. @};-

Posted : March 2, 2010 4:30 pm
7chronicles
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The fact that Tirian heard nothing about a witch, yet the plot made sense to him, makes me think the witch plays a very small role in the film.

I totally agree! :) That's why I'm not to worried about the whole "unfathomable fate". I'm just so overjoyed that we are going to see, to actually see what was in the book on screen! I think it will be overwhelming when we finally get to see it, at least for me! :D :p

The Value of myth is that it takes all the things you know and restores to them the rich significance which has been hidden by the veil of familiarity. C.S. Lewis

Posted : March 2, 2010 4:37 pm
fantasia
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Member Admin

I'm going to say that this thread doesn't need to hide everything in spoilers, ;)) I figure if people don't want to know about this then they shouldn't read the thread when it says "huge plot spoiler revealed?" in the title ;))

At any rate, my only comment I"m going to make right now, is that I'm quite certain, not 100% because I wasn't at the conference, but quite certain that there is no witch in this film. I know that neither Tirian or Paul Martin over at Nfans heard about it at the conference and I've received several reports from sources within the production that she was cut out of the leaked script long ago. My best guess is that Kathy Keller saw reports of the witch long ago and presumed she was in the movie.

Posted : March 2, 2010 5:15 pm
decarus
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It would seem a little redundant to have another witch just to have the LotGK in the next film. I hope you are right though the swords thing seems stranger then having the sea serpent be a witch.

There are no clouds in the sky. There is only the open sun and the Lord watches.

Posted : March 2, 2010 5:52 pm
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