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adamie
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Which scenes were well adapted in the two previous movies? Which scene was not? Were there any scenes you loved in the book, but hated in the movie, or the other way around? Were there scenes you were looking forward to, but that weren't in the movie? Or were there scenes in the movie that the writers of the script came up with, that were so good you thought they should have been written by Lewis in the books themselves?

In this topic you can talk about the adaptation of specific scenes, not the movie in general. That would make it a review, which is of topic.

To start of, I'll give an example:

I loved the scene in the book (PC) were Lucy sees Aslan at the gorge, but no one believes here. I did not liked it in the movie. I normally like it when a movie is as faithful as possible to it's source material, but in this case it felt awkward and out of place. Not that they handled it wrong, it's just a scene that works in a book, but does not work in a movie.


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Topic starter Posted : September 4, 2009 12:00 pm
Farsight1
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Best adapted/executed:

    Lucy, The Wardrobe and Mr. Tumnus[/listduiit3cl]

      Turkish Delight (& every White Witch scene)[/listduiit3cl]

        Edmund entering the courtyard of statues[/listduiit3cl]

          Dryads[/listduiit3cl]

            Coronation, Lucy/Tumnus end dialogue[/listduiit3cl]

              The White Stag hunt[/listduiit3cl]

                Pevensies discover the ruins of Cair Paravel[/listduiit3cl]

                  Trumpkin, Reepicheep and Miraz[/listduiit3cl]

                    Bulgy bear sucking his paws (YEAH!)[/listduiit3cl]

                      The trees attack Miraz' army[/listduiit3cl]Worst adapted/executed:

                        Kids stare into Narnia at the Stone Bridge - I think the idea of the shot was to give an idea of the scale of the land, but the view looks so fake, all the effort is lost [/listduiit3cl]

                          Wolves catch up with the kids early in the LWW movie, resulting in a poorly done waterfall sequence we didn't even need (worst in the movie)[/listduiit3cl]

                            Susan and Caspian's kiss (out of character and out of nowhere)[/listduiit3cl]

                              Susan enjoys fighting (out of character) and stabs someone with an arrow (not possible)[/listduiit3cl]

                                Peter's fallout with Caspian (out of character again)[/listduiit3cl]

                                  Duration of the Journey from Beaversdam to Aslan's camp (not long enough, makes Narnia look much smaller)[/listduiit3cl]

                                    Maugrim the Wolf commits suicide by jumping right into Peter's blade[/listduiit3cl]

                                      Tumnus knocks out someone - completely unarmed - at the end of the LWW battle (wouldn't Aslan have given him a sword?)[/listduiit3cl]

                                        70's slow motion during both LWW and PC's battles[/listduiit3cl]

                                          Wisecracks and one-liners (both movies)[/listduiit3cl]

                                            No deeper magic or Emperor beyond the Sea to be found anywhere[/listduiit3cl]Well done, just not in the book:

                                              Train sequence in LWW (one of the best scenes in that movie)[/listduiit3cl]

                                                White Witch appears and tempts Peter in PC[/listduiit3cl]

Posted : September 4, 2009 2:39 pm
ellz_bellz
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LWW best:

-Lucy first goes into the Wardrobe room

-I actually liked the Waterfall scene, It was a great moment for Susan.

-The Coronation!

-The Bombing, right at the beginning! Lewis couln't have done it better!

LWW worst:

-Erm, I really can't think of any off the top of my head!

PC Best:

-The Raid, only for the visual effects though. OH and the bit at the end, when Peter looks back at the dying Narnians, and has tears. Even though it is out of character.

-Edmund and Trumpkins duel!

-TRUMPKIN! Peter Dinklage was fantastic

-Caspians speech to the Narnians

-In the deleted scenes, there was a fantastic scene with Peter, Caspian, Reepicheep and the Bugly (SUCKING HIS PAWS WOOOT)

-Lucy's line "Or have you forgotten who really defeated the White Witch Peter?" :D

-Susan's shooting down the soldiors coming after her and Lucy. (Out of Character, but awsome!)

PC Worst:

- PETER! He is MEANT to be the nice guy! Not 'I want to be King of Narniaaaaa, No one else! There is a line from the book, where Peter says to Caspian, "We're not here to take your place you know, more to put you in it". WHY OH WHY DID THEY CHANGE IT!

-Susan/Caspian. Nuff' said

-SUSAN! I, I, I, I'm not even going to say anything.

-The fact that Edmund got shoved to the sidelines. No fair.

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Posted : September 4, 2009 3:10 pm
Glumpuddle
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I thought the gorge scene with Aslan was very well adapted. Because of the structural change, it would make NO SENSE for everyone to start seeing Aslan. In the book, this scene happens near the end of the story. In the movie, it's near the beginning. It isn't time for Aslan to return, nor is it time for the characters to see him. It's way too early in the story. The characters haven't completed their arcs yet.

They captured the essence of the scene. Peter reluctantly decides to follow Lucy, and as a result, they find a crossing. They also followed it up with a great scene where Lucy and Susan discuss why Susan didn't see Aslan. Lucy says it best: "Maybe you didn't really want to."

If all the characters saw Aslan in that scene, I would call it poor adaptation. Adaptation means taking something that works well in the book and finding a way to make it work just as well in the movie. It would NOT have worked well for all the characters to see Aslan one-third into the movie.


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Posted : September 4, 2009 3:33 pm
twinimage
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LWW:

- Have to say I liked how most of the scenes were adapted. Some of the dialogue could definitely been better. As you probably know, I reeeeeally love this movie, even if it does have flaws, which I am ignorant enough not to see. ;)

- Probably the only scene I didn't care for was actually Aslan's death scene.... Not sure what I don't like about it. It's very loud, chaotic and creepy. It's not sad enough of a scene, not sinister enough to really seem like they did something terrible.

PC:

...lol, ok, PC on the other, I don't really like. I know some changes were necessary, but I'm not going to pull out memories that I've pushed into my subconscious just to reiterate my dislikes of this film, but I will mention a few things that were unique to me.

- The scene where Lucy tells one of the trees to wake up was a disappointment. I remember that scene so well from the book, it was one of the most memorable scenes for me. A very emotional scene. Lucy walks through the woods at night. It finally sinks in for Lucy and she gets so emotional and urges the trees to wake up! Then there's a slight rustling, as if her efforts actually did something! It's stirring and a bit suspenseful. It leaves you almost speechless.
The movie version Lucy just walks over to a tree and half-heartedly says, "wake up?".... Not the same effect as Lewis describes. They should have taken time out for that scene. It really gives you the sense that Narnia has lost the magic. Would have been much more affective than what they did. :p Very glad they put it in there though!

- No Bachus or Silenus! Probably the most memorable scene for me in PC and I looked so much forward to seeing that scene, and they didn't even do it. X(

- And of course who can't forget the infamous kiss.

Posted : September 4, 2009 3:37 pm
Beren
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LWW Book-to-movie favorites: I really like Lucy finding the Wardrobe and meeting Mr. Tumnus. Very well adapted.

LWW non-book favorite: Probably the air raid at the beginning.

LWW Book-to-movie cringe: the Father Christmas scene is a cringe scene for me.
When Aslan FAILS to mention the DEEPER magic, that's a grind-your-teeth-together-till-they're-powder moment. akk. I can't explain how much I hate it.

LWW non-book cringe: "No more ice." Pretty lame line...

PC Book-to-movie favorites: Probably my favorite would be when Lucy is about to leave Narnia at the end of the film. Of course, I abhor the kiss, but the part after that, when Lucy looks back, and sees all the beloved creatures and friends, and then sees Aslan (with "The Call" playing in the background), that scene always brings tears to my eyes.
My #2 fav is when Reep meets Aslan on the beach of the river. Aslan is utterly beautiful there, and I cannot get over it. Every time I think of him in that scene I fall in love with Him again. Plus, Reep's lines (although somewhat botched), were pretty much true to the meaning of the book.
I also kind of liked the duel between Trumpkin and Edmund. You can see that the air of Narnia is beginning to work on Ed.

PC non-book favorite: Definitely the very end of the night-raid. When Peter has to leave the Narnians (and one of Glemstorm's sons) to their deaths, we see a glimpse of the real Peter there. He's not cocky, he's not trying to prove that he's a king, he's not out for everyone's respect. He is horrified that he can't do anything, and he, as High King, feels like he should do something. Until he realizes that he cannot do anything to help, that's when he becomes really venerable, and he almost breaks down. But then reality (the bridge) forces him back. Beautiful moment.
My other favs are all of the scenes with Miraz and the Telmarine lords. All those scenes in that "throne room" are awesome.

PC Book-to-movie cringe: That Prunaprismia didn't have red hair.

PC non-book cringe: The kiss, of course. Then Peter's attitude and the tension between him and Caspian. Then the fact that they actually called Jadis up. They weren't supposed to go that far. Then the plot "hole" in which Trumpkin couldn't have known the Caspian was on their side, or that he was leading a Narnian uprising. As the plot stands, Trumpkin would have brought the kids to dancing lawn to have then help the Narnians regain their freedom. I mean, Trumpkin didn't even know that the dude that blew the horn was Prince Caspian. He just knew that there was a Telmarine that blew Queen Susan's horn outside of his hole.
Lastly, Warrior-Susan. Ick. No more needs to be said.

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Posted : September 4, 2009 5:07 pm
Glumpuddle
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The scene where Lucy tells one of the trees to wake up was a disappointment. I remember that scene so well from the book, it was one of the most memorable scenes for me. A very emotional scene. Lucy walks through the woods at night. It finally sinks in for Lucy and she gets so emotional and urges the trees to wake up! Then there's a slight rustling, as if her efforts actually did something! It's stirring and a bit suspenseful. It leaves you almost speechless.
The movie version Lucy just walks over to a tree and half-heartedly says, "wake up?".... Not the same effect as Lewis describes. They should have taken time out for that scene. It really gives you the sense that Narnia has lost the magic. Would have been much more affective than what they did. :p Very glad they put it in there though!

I disagree. I feel they did a brilliant job of capturing the essence of that scene. The essence of that scene in the book is the idea of longing. Lucy longs for the old days to return, and gets excited when shes senses the trees are coming to life.... and then gets a punch in the stomach when they don't. The scene emphasizes a crucial theme in the book: The saddness of the old days being gone and the hope that they might return.

The movie did exactly the same thing, but in a different way (i.e. good adaptation). Lucy has a dream where the trees actually are coming to life, and Aslan has returned to save the day. For a few moments, it's like she has travelled back in time to relive the old days. And then... she gets a punch in the stomach when she finds it's all a dream.

Brilliant adaptation. They accomplished exactly the same thing as the book, but they did it visually. Notice that in Lucy's dream, the colors are very gold (which is associated with Aslan). Then, when she wakes up and goes back to the spot, the color has been drained from the picture, and all is still. The audience can actually SEE the contrast. They can SEE what has been lost. That's visual story-telling. That's good adaptation.


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Posted : September 4, 2009 6:11 pm
adamie
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I thought the gorge scene with Aslan was very well adapted. Because of the structural change, it would make NO SENSE for everyone to start seeing Aslan. In the book, this scene happens near the end of the story. In the movie, it's near the beginning. It isn't time for Aslan to return, nor is it time for the characters to see him. It's way too early in the story. The characters haven't completed their arcs yet.

They captured the essence of the scene. Peter reluctantly decides to follow Lucy, and as a result, they find a crossing. They also followed it up with a great scene where Lucy and Susan discuss why Susan didn't see Aslan. Lucy says it best: "Maybe you didn't really want to."

If all the characters saw Aslan in that scene, I would call it poor adaptation. Adaptation means taking something that works well in the book and finding a way to make it work just as well in the movie. It would NOT have worked well for all the characters to see Aslan one-third into the movie.

I think I expressed myself poorly. I too think that it was a good thing that not all the characters see Aslan at once, and the scene is well adapted. I was only talking about the moment were Lucy sais: It's Aslan! I always feel like They should have shown Aslan, But then again I know that would not work, because then there would be no question about it, while now even the audience is onshore: Did lucy really see Aslan or not? I don't know how they should have done this little moment, but I never like those two seconds of the movie, and that is because it works better in a book then in a movie. I also don't think they should have done it differently, it IS wel adapted, but I just did not like it as much as in the book.

The rest of the scene is good, that's true.


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Topic starter Posted : September 4, 2009 10:50 pm
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Well adapted scenes:
LWW
• The scene where Lucy first enters the wardrobe and Narnia
• Lucy and Tumnus in his cave. I really got the sense that Mr. Tumnus knew what he was doing was wrong and something that his father wouldn’t have done (Before he had actually started to do it). Although the fire doesn’t show figures in the book, I liked what they did with it.
• I like the part of the scene when Aslan comes back to life and appears between the pillars as the sun comes up.
• Edmund’s meeting the witch
• The scene where Peter admits that it was partially his fault that Edmund went to the witch and Susan agrees that they all had a part in it.
• In the extended version they did a great job showing that the children were driven into the wardrobe
PC
• Edmund and Trumpkin fighting
• The scene with the bear attacking Lucy
• The lines about the map in the head
Poorly adapted scenes:
LWW
The scene with Father Christmas. Aslan’s coming weaken the Witch’s magic not the hope the children brought.
PC – It is hard with PC because a lot of the scenes were done partially right but were off enough to bother me.
• Caspian meeting the Trufflehunter, Nikabrik, and Trumpkin. The book Trumpkin would not have risked his life to defend a Telmarine just because he had a horn. Trumpkin admits that he does not believe in horn. Caspian seemed more afraid and shocked at seeing the Narnians than shocked and glad. They did get Nikabrik’s feelings right.
• The scene at the gorge when Lucy sees Aslan and no one else does. They got Lucy and Edmund’s part right but Peter took some of Trumpkin’s lines (about any number of lions in the woods) Trumpkin supports Peter rather than thinking he doesn’t know where he is. Peter at least stands up for Aslan a little when Trumpkin suggest that Aslan might have gone wild. They vote in the book and Peter doesn’t want to vote. Peter expressed no unwillingness to make discussions.
• The scene where the werewolf and the hag come. I love that scene in the book but they didn’t get it right. The hag’s and the werewolf’s parts were perfect, but they botched Caspian’s and Peter’s. I am sure that neither Peter nor Caspian would have considered listening to the Witch no matter how bad things got. I missed Trufflehunter’s steadfast faith that help would come.
Scenes that were added and didn’t work for me
LWW
• The waterfall
• The scene where Aslan has to convince Peter to be king
PC
The night raid. No matter how hard I try I cannot make sense out of it. I think it would have been better if there had been a definite plan that the audience knew. It seems like they wanted to capture Miraz and the castle. Yet, Lucy seems to be waiting for the army to return. How did they get across Narnia to castle without being noticed? Was Caspian supposed to be helping Peter and Susan with Miraz? Susan kind of implies that he was when she tells Peter that they could deal with Miraz. But, Caspian says he can still get to the gate in time. I find it hard to believe that Caspian could get to Miraz before Peter and Susan, even if Peter and Susan took some wrong turns. I assume Cornelius was locked up in a dungeon which should take a while to get to. It is hard to tell if Caspian was supposed to be helping the mice or in the courtyard opening what he ended up helping Peter and Susan with. Once the army was in and they realized they had to leave, Peter told his army to retreat yet the fighting continued for a significant amount of time. Peter had time to go back to find Caspian and escape. Why didn’t any one try to help the Minotaur hold up the gate or lift after he was down? I would imagine centaurs are pretty strong. Once they realized they were trapped why didn’t the Narnians turn around and try to defend themselves? They would have died anyway, but they probably could have killed some more Telmarines before they did.
Parts I was looking forward to that didn’t make it into the movie:
LWW – Lucy’s not wanting to leave Edmund and being scolded by Aslan.
PC
• Caspian not liking his ancestry and Alsan’s line: You come of the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve ... and that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor in earth.
• Pattertwig’s and Trumpkin’s being sent to wait for the help
• The part of the scene at the dancing lawn that shows the different characteristics of the different groups of animals (the bears wanting to eat first, the mice wanting to storm Miraz’s castle, etc.)
Scenes that I liked all though they weren’t in the books:
LWW – the bombing at the beginning
PC – The water god destroying the bridge (I almost feel guilty for liking it since it is clearly not the way Lewis wrote it.)


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Posted : September 5, 2009 4:40 am
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The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe:
The best scene adapted in LWW was Lucy's and Tumnus's first introduction in Narnia. From beginning to when he send her back.

The worst was, if I had to choose, without choosing the obvious.
Peter killing Maugrim. In the book it's clear he did it, but in the movie it seems that the wolf threw himself on the sword without any work from Peter.

Prince Caspian:
The best, hhmm, I don't quite have a favorite adapted scene in this movie. My favorite scene was actually not from the book itself, the night raid.

The worst is, IMO, is after they rescue Trumpkin. Lucy sees the bear and goes to talk to him, resulting in having to kill the bear. In the book its fine because we know Lucy is just a year older in therefore still small. However, movie wise, she was small in LWW but due to the time they took to film this one, Georgie is much bigger and definitely looses some of that childish innocence. This makes for her to look foolish rather than innocent in that scene.

Posted : September 5, 2009 5:03 am
Laura E. A.
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Well, my whole family knows how I feel about the new PC movie. But I really like LWW.
I love the battle in LWW. Althought it wasn't at the Ford of Beruna like in the book, it was an awesome battle. I think that it was probably an improvement on the battle in the book, especially since the kids wear armor, which I love. My favorite part in the battle is where Edmund cuts the witch's wand in half, and then Peter sees. Also, I love the ''70's slow mo''. It is pretty neat to me. However, the battle in PC is really goofy. I think they were trying to copy LOTR, and failed miserably, especially how Susan was fighting with her bow and arrows. It is poorly done in my opinion. In the book, I love the battle. It is fun, without seeming so serious.
I hate how much older Caspian is in the movie than in the book. I mean, a 27 year old playing a seventeen year old who is really supposed to be thirteen? :-o
I don't like Reepicheep very much. He is always quipping, cracking dry jokes, and acting like a child. For that matter, so are all the animals. In the books, they are, er, grownups. In the movies, they are little kids who can't be serious for more than a minute. Reepicheep is my favorite character in the books. In the movie, he's probably one of my least favorites.
I love the costumes in the movies, but also I like the clothes in the books.
I think a badly adapted part of LWW was when Tumnus and Lucy were going back to the lamppost, and Tumnus is telling Lucy about 'even some of the trees are on her side'. That is really dumb to be talking when you are supposed to be quiet, and if some of the trees are on her side, then why are you talking around them?
I like how they cast Peter, Susan, Edmund and Lucy for LWW. However, I didn't like Peter and Susan in PC. I love how they are in the books as well.
There are lots of things. But I could complain on and on about PC. I'll just say one more thing about: Trumpkin.
Trumpkin is really infuriatingly stupid in the movie. I like him in the books, but he has: a stupid voice, he isn't that great of an actor, and he says stupid things. He tries to sound gruff, but he ends up sounding like a fool. I think that whoever cast him cast him completely wrong, and whoever wrote the script did not write it right. All in all, I like the PC book much, much better than the movie, and although I like the LWW movie, I still like the book better.

God's hardness is kinder than the softness of man, and his compulsion is our liberation--- C.S.Lewis

Posted : September 5, 2009 5:46 am
FriendofNarnia2
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BEST ADAPTED SCENES

Lucy meeting Mr. Tumnus
Edmund meeting the White Witch in her castle
Coronation scene
Edmund's challenge to Miraz
Reepicheep's tail is restored

WORST ADAPTED SCENES

Peter's "fight" the the Wolf
Aslan's Resurrection
Peter and Jadis' swordfight
Pevensie's meet Caspian
The Dancing Lawn

OMITTED SCENES I MISSED

The Christmas Party
The Nurse

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Posted : September 5, 2009 12:58 pm
HappyGiant
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NarniaWeb Regular

Well adapted scenes:discussions.
Was Caspian supposed to be helping Peter and Susan with Miraz? Susan kind of implies that he was when she tells Peter that they could deal with Miraz. But, Caspian says he can still get to the gate in time. I find it hard to believe that Caspian could get to Miraz before Peter and Susan, even if Peter and Susan took some wrong turns.
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I'm afraid they deleted a scene where Susan and Peter come across Miraz's son sleeping. You can see it on your'Bonus features' video.
My fav in LWW:
Waterfall
Aslan's death scene
Lucy&Tumnus scenes, all were good.
bombing sequence (FANTASTIC!)
Badly Adapted/ Didn't like:
I confess- i can't think of anyone I really disliked (dodges rotten tomatoes.)
PC Scenes I liked:
I loved all the battles.
Lucy's scene with Aslan (not counting the Changed Line we all know of.)
watergod scene (i'm sorry, but I really liked it :(( )
Scenes I disliked:
Kissing scene
scene when capian and pevensies meet
NOTE: They didn't include the Silenus and Buchess (ok, I know I'm spelling wrong, sorry about that :- ) because aren't they realated to, um... *coughcough* nudity?

Posted : September 5, 2009 2:39 pm
KingofKings'Daughter
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NarniaWeb Regular

Best Adapted Scenes:
-Air Raid
-Lucy entering into Narnia for first time
-Meeting with Mr Tumnus
-The Battle (of course!)
-Coronation
-Caspian fleeing (good way to introduce movie)
-All PC Battles

Poorly Adapted Scenes:
Waterfall scene (Sorry, just my opinion)
Peter and Wolf scene
Resurrection scene - They didn't mourn for Him as much as in the book.
Caspian meeting Trufflehunter and Nikabrik - seemed rushed
Fern Forest - again rushed
Definitely The Kissing Scene (not necessary and OOC)

Posted : September 6, 2009 10:29 am
Glumpuddle
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News Poster, Podcast Producer

I was only talking about the moment were Lucy sais: It's Aslan! I always feel like They should have shown Aslan, But then again I know that would not work, because then there would be no question about it, while now even the audience is onshore: Did lucy really see Aslan or not? I don't know how they should have done this little moment, but I never like those two seconds of the movie, and that is because it works better in a book then in a movie.

Right, the book never says "And Lucy saw Aslan." All we know is that Lucy claims she saw Aslan. So we're in the same boat as Peter; we have to decide if she really did see him. It is good that they did not actually show Aslan. That would have been a HUGE change.

PC is an extremely uncinematic book, and this is just one good example. I think there's primarily one person to blame for this scene not working very well in the movie: C.S. Lewis. One of the things I actually like about the Narnia books is that Lewis tells them in a way that only really works well in a BOOK. The filmmakers should try to create a movie version of the story that captured the important ideas, but I'm not sure it's possible to totally capture on film what makes the Narnia books special.

Overall, I am quite pleased with how the filmmakers handled this scene. The idea of Lucy seeing Aslan didn't work as well, but a lot of the character stuff that went along with it did. I liked seeing Peter's internal struggle. "Why wouldn't I have seen him?"

This scene is the answer to one of the big questions in PC that many viewers seemed to consider a "plot hole." Where was Aslan for 1300 years? Lucy gives us the answer when she answers Peter's question. "Maybe you weren't looking." It's a character journey. They are brought to Narnia to work through things. In Peter's case, humility. To then say "But how could Aslan let all those people die??" is to completely miss the point of the story. It's irrelevant.


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Posted : September 6, 2009 1:06 pm
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