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Glumpuddle
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1. The Magician's Book: Lucy is looking at the beauty spell and we hear Aslan call out "Lucy!" Lucy reacts but then rips the page out anyway. Aslan does not actually appear. It could be argued that they simply moved his appearance to Lucy's dream on board the Dawn Treader. But the dialogue there ("Don't run from who you are") is very different from the book.

Then her face lit up till, for a moment (but of course she didn't know it), she looked almost as beautiful as that other Lucy in the picture, and she ran forward with a little cry of delight and with her arms stretched out. For what stood in the doorway was Aslan himself, The Lion, the highest of all High Kings. And he was solid and real and warm and he let her kiss him and bury herself in his shining mane. And from the low, earthquake-like sound that came from inside him, Lucy even dared to think that he was purring.
"Oh, Aslan," said she, "it was kind of you to come."
"I have been here all the time," said he, "but you have just made me visible."
"Aslan!" said Lucy almost a little reproachfully. "Don't make fun of me. As if anything I could do would make you visible!"
"It did," said Aslan. "Do you think I wouldn't obey my own rules?"
---VDT, Ch. 10

2. Deathwater: Aslan was completely removed from this scene. Instead, it's Lucy who saves the day ("This place has TEMPTED you!"). This is a far cry from the book, where Lucy was actually becoming a part of the quarrel along with the boys.

"So it has come to that, King Edmund, has it?" said Caspian, laying his hand on his sword-hilt.
"Oh, stop it, both of you," said Lucy. "That's the worst of doing anything with boys. You're all such swaggering, bullying idiots - oooh! -" Her voice died away into a gasp. And everyone else saw what she had seen.
Across the grey hillside above them - grey, for the heather was not yet in bloom - without noise, and without looking at them, and shining as if he were in bright sunlight though the sun had in fact gone in, passed with slow pace the hugest lion that human eyes have ever seen. In describing the scene Lucy said afterwards, "He was the size of an elephant," though at another time she only said, "The size of a cart-horse." But it was not the size that mattered. Nobody dared to ask what it was. They knew it was Aslan.
And nobody ever saw how or where he went. They looked at one another like people waking from sleep.
"What were we talking about?" said Caspian. "Have I been making rather an ass of myself?"
---VDT, Ch. 8

3. Dark Island: The albatross has a random cameo, but there is no reason to believe it's Aslan. After the island is destroyed, all credit is given to Eustace. They even changed the meaning of the line "I don't think it was us." The film immediately cuts to Eustace in the water after that line. *facepalm*

But no one except Lucy knew that as it circled the mast it had whispered to her, "Courage, dear heart," and the voice, she felt sure, was Aslan's, and with the voice a delicious smell breathed in her face.
---VDT, Ch. 12


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Topic starter Posted : January 26, 2011 6:20 pm
CorazonBandido55
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I think Aslan was cut from these scenes for budget reasons. Simple as that. It would have been nice to see Aslan a little more but it did not detract from the movie, IMO. I thought Aslans appearance in Lucys mirror was very well done, regardless of the change from the book. It might be my favorite part of the movie.

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Posted : January 26, 2011 6:48 pm
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I chose the Dark Island because when I first read this scene it had such an impact on me. This chapter shows one of Aslan’s greatest qualities, that he provides hope in the darkest and scariest of circumstance. I felt a lot of the more meaningful and dramatic moments in this scene were cut for the sake of the action moments. Sure the albatross was in there (and I was thrilled to see it), but only for a moment. The movie-goers who looked down at the wrong second to grab a handful of popcorn probably missed him altogether.

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Posted : January 26, 2011 7:24 pm
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I think it would have been strange to see Aslan appear on Goldwater Island.
And i loved the scène where Aslan appears in the mirror on Lucy's cabin.
I think the Albatross should have said something, like he did in the book 'have courage dear'. But i've been thinking about this scène, and i interpret it this way. Aslan appears as an albatross, and answers Lucy's pray. He goes to the sand bank and changes Eustace back to the boy and places him and the 7th sword on Ramandu's Island. That's how he helped them survive Dark Island.
Nothing wrong with being critical, but maybe you should focus more on the good stuff in the film instead of the bad ones, glumPuddle.

Posted : January 26, 2011 10:25 pm
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I had a problem with Aslan being cut from Goldwater only. The way the film was put together, he was obviously (to the audience) there for Dark Island, in the whole thing with the undragoning.

The Magician's Book, I didn't mind. The voice was fine. Especially since they rearranged and had him show up later.

And then Goldwater. Why was it that Aslan saved them from pretty much all the other temptations, but he wasn't there for Goldwater? It's much stronger in the book.

Posted : January 27, 2011 12:36 am
Aravis Narnia
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None really. His teachings were still there- Lucy certainly followed Aslan's example. And you could still hear His voice. It was Aslan who sent the Albatross. It was Aslan who undragoned Eustace who was able to put the final sword on the table.

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Posted : January 27, 2011 12:41 am
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I didn't picture Aslan every being present in the Dark Island scene, other than in his albatross form. I didn't miss him at all in this scene.

I have no problem with Lucy being the one to seperate the boys in the Goldwater cave.

For the Magician's Book scene, I was a bit disappointed that Aslan's face didn't at least appear in the book or something...

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Posted : January 27, 2011 1:18 am
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I voted deathwater island, I felt for the movie watcher it was more imporant to show the true reason for Eustace's dragoning- I think it would've had the most effect on people

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Posted : January 27, 2011 2:58 am
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I said the book because, in all the stories with Lucy, she is the one that sees Aslan. He comes to her and that is what makes that scene even more powerful and emotional. Wish they would have included it.

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Posted : January 27, 2011 3:32 am
fireheart209
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I would have to say the Magician's book scene. The other two scenes, it would have been nice, but it didn't really bother me. I really missed Aslan and Lucy's conversation in the Magician's house, though. It really shows and deepens her relationship with Aslan--she runs to him, hugs him, confides in him, gains strength from him and any insecurities (about her beauty or her friend) just disappear. Its such a beautiful moment. Her interaction with Aslan later on the ship just wasn't something I could get into. I didn't feel any real emotion between them in that scene. I know I'm in the minority here about that--that scene was a fan favorite, even among people who disliked the film in general, so it was a good move on the part of the movie makers. But I did miss Aslan in the magician's house.

Posted : January 27, 2011 4:49 am
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I voted for the magician's book because that's one of my favorite scenes from the book, and I really wanted to see them make it like the BBC version/like the book... I could live with it the way it is, but it's the one I would have preferred the most

On Deathwater, it seemed *okay* for Lucy to interrupt, but it would have been cool to hear a lion roar, and then Lucy talk...

I think the Albatross should have said something, like he did in the book 'have courage dear'. But i've been thinking about this scene, and i interpret it this way. Aslan appears as an albatross, and answers Lucy's pray.

Well said, that would have been cool


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Posted : January 27, 2011 5:00 am
Reepicheep775
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Three. Three! THREE!

The other two are annoying, but the third is utter blasphemy against the book. This is, in my opinion the lowest moment in Narnia film history (lower than the Susaspian kiss, lower than the Beaver's costumes in BBC etc). I've always been curious if C.S. Lewis would've liked the first two movies, but I know he wouldn't have liked this one. It's really sad.

Aslan's departure from this movie is my main complaint against it. In the books Aslan is powerful, wild and just. Here he is a mere "fortune cookie", giving advice to the characters that they can take or leave. The Aslan I love was simply not in this movie. With minor editing and a re-shot ending, Aslan could've been completely cut from this film. That could not have been said for the other two, especially Prince Caspian, where everything depended on his return.

Oy vey! X(

Posted : January 27, 2011 6:34 am
Liberty Hoffman
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I was not bothered by any of these.
I like how Lucy rips the page from the book then Aslan's voice is heard and she says, "Aslan?" almost fearfully, all the while stuffing the page under her shirt. she knew that it was wrong. and she knew Aslan was not happy. I thought this came out really well.

on Deathwater, I wasn't bothered either. Lucy had already learned her lesson and saw the warning signs when the boys were fighting and stops them.

on Dark Island, I thought it came out really well!
in the book, Aslan himself does not show up. he appears in the form of an albatross.
in the movie, the albatross came when Lucy said, "Aslan, will you not help us?" and all the while, Aslan is working behind the scenes. I loved that bit the most. Aslan shows up in an area that they least expect.
they think Aslan has not come to help, but Lucy believes He will.
it's like this in our own world - we ask God fro help and when it does not happen right away, we wonder if He's really there. in VotDT, Aslan comes through in a way that they don't expect. while they are in the dark, Aslan comes and undragons Eustace. then He puts him in the right place at the right time to place the last sword on Aslan's Table. Aslan was the reason for them being able to be free of the darkness.

just my two cents! :D


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Posted : January 27, 2011 9:16 am
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I would have liked to see Aslan in the Magician's book scene, but I was glad we heard his voice at least. As well, he appeared later to complete Lucy's arc.

I am more upset that he wasn't at deathwater than I was that he wasn't seen on Magician's Island. However I can overlook it.

Aslan not really being there at Dark Island really bothered me. :(( X( I was very upset because the whole point in the book is that Aslan saves them. They can't save themselves.


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Posted : January 27, 2011 9:37 am
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Yeah, I missed Aslan a lot. I wish he had appeared more than he had in the movie. :(

I chose the Dark Island Scene, because I love how Aslan comes and defeats the Island. That wouldn't have worked with the Green Mist, but really, Aslan should've been the one to do it, not anything else that was added in. :)

The Magician's Scene is too bad, but I didn't feel so upset over that, especially when he talks to Lucy on the ship. So, although it would've been a nice touch, I wasn't really bothered that he wasn't there. But at least his roar was there! #:-s

And Deathwater? As much as I love Lucy being a peacemaker, I think the scene would do better with Aslan roaring in. That was a great part of the scene in the book originally, and it's a shame they didn't use it. :-s

And what about Aslan turning into a lamb? That would've been odd-feeling in the movie, but it still adds something to everyone who knows what this stands for. Oh, well... :-??

So, yeah, more Aslan might've given me a better feel for him, but I'd rather have not had them in if they had been done wrong. ;)


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Posted : January 27, 2011 11:46 am
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