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[Closed] About "Deathwater" and "Land of the Duffers" Islands...

Tirian541
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Ok, who here thought that there was too little explanation from the Duffers and Coriakin about who they were... I don't know maybe I missed some thing...

On "Deathwater Island", why in the world did Lucy stop Edmund and Caspian from fighting over the gold? In the book it was Aslan who stopped them!

On a happier note, who here thought that the Sea Serpent was awesome?!? :D

Topic starter Posted : December 11, 2010 4:54 pm
narnian1
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Dufflepods, were sort of rushed yes. I wish they had been fleshed out a bit more. :( Lucy stopping Edmund and Caspian I thought was just fine, no problem there. :) The Sea Serpent I agree was amazing! :D

Posted : December 11, 2010 5:02 pm
aragorn2
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Yes the Dufflepud parts were too short(as was everything else in the movie :() but they wer e still just as funny and ridiculous as they were in the book, I loved 'em.

the Deathwater scene was also too rushed, their should have been a little more buildup before Caspian and Ed clashed. And also the lines Lucy says to break it up are really cheesy.
But I really like all the dragon parts especially his intro which I think is the most professional looking scene in the entire movie.

Posted : December 11, 2010 5:26 pm
RedheadKevin
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I would really like to have seen more (and different) incantations on the Dufflepud's island. While the "ooh, it's snowing" scene was neat, it was too long and a real bit of 3D self-indulgence. Anyhow, while I liked the whole "Lucy's jealous of Susan" subplot, I really would have liked to see Lucy find the story that she forgot. I always took it to be that she found her entire life laid out for her in the book, but couldn't remember what her future would be like. (mostly from Aslan's line in the book about "telling her the story for years to come...") I also missed the bearded mirror. I thought that would have been a neat little effect.

Posted : December 11, 2010 5:37 pm
Adeona
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Yes, there were several disappointments on the islands.

This may sound silly, but for me, the most annoying thing (outside of the G.Mist of course!) was how Caspian and Drinian let everyone just lie down and go to sleep on the shore of the Magician's Island. They had just arrived in a strange land, and without exploring or even posting a guard these supposedly experienced men just say "Looks good! Let's get out the sleeping bags." No way. [-(

I did look for the bearded mirror too, RedheadKevin. :(
I didn't have any issues with the Book of Incantations scene. (except for the GM and Lucy ripping out the beauty spell) The book itself was beautiful, hmm? The little blowing angel wasn't as weird as I thought it would be. I liked the addition of the snow.

On the Dragon/Goldwater Island, again the GM was an upsetting addition, and Aslan was sadly left out.

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Posted : December 11, 2010 7:24 pm
Trufflehunter
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Goldwater Island was probably my favorite island in the movie. I loved the look of it, and the idea of it being a volcano!

"I'm a beast I am, and a Badger what's more. We don't change. We hold on. I say great good will come of it... And we beasts remember, even if Dwarfs forget, that Narnia was never right except when a son of Adam was King." -Trufflehunter

Posted : December 12, 2010 6:09 am
Aravis Narnia
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Dufflepuds were a bit rushed- but better than dwelling on it too much.

Won't argue with Lucy stopping them. She followed Aslan's teachings :)

Posted : December 12, 2010 6:32 am
sandyentersNarnia
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The Deathwater Island was scary yet not quite appreciating because most weren't in the book.

The Dufflepuds were cool. The effects were like a boost, but the scene was too quick and short.

"Two sides of the same coin"

Posted : December 14, 2010 11:35 pm
ChristProclamer
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I didn't really mind either island's changes. Except for the random snow thing. Of course, I could have watched an entire short film of just Dufflepuds in action, but putting in more with them might have felt a bit superfluous. If there was more time needed on Coriakin's island, it would have been spent with Coriakin on plot exposition and background.

As for Deathwater Island, I didn't mind Lucy breaking it up. She tries to in the book, so it wasn't too far out, and the fact is that I don't think it would have been affordable to completely CG Aslan in there for even just a moment; nor would it have made sense to a lot of audiences. It would have ended up looking similiar to Lucy's "Aslan, he's right over there!" line in PC.

So overall, I think they did pretty well with what they had. I could issue much bigger complaints for other islands...

Posted : December 21, 2010 6:28 am
~DaughterOfEve~
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The Duffers were really rushed and I felt like they twisted it in a way where they were bad and there was no celebration of them being free and such from what I can remember from the book.

Deathwater was beautifully done, I really enjoyed that part of the book. My friend that went with me started quoting this VDT home movie we watch on youtube all the time and I found myself laughing the entire time.

They never mentioned any naming of the islands and charting of the "uncharted waters" in the film which was a little disappointing but they did a great job over all. I am ready to go see it for a second time :)

Posted : December 21, 2010 7:35 am
MoonlightDancer
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The deathwater scene suffered because of the fact that Aslan was completely left out. In the book, they both became ashamed because of Aslan's appearance.

In the movie, they only stopped fighting because Lucy put herself in between them. I felt as if nothing had been resolved and they still loathed each other but mutually agreed not to fight for Lucy's sake. I half expected them to resume the next time they were alone together.

Too bad Edmund didn't just run Caspian through because throughout the film he was being a real brat. :-o

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Posted : December 24, 2010 6:37 am
aragorn2
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Too bad Edmund didn't just run Caspian through because throughout the film he was being a real brat. :-o

What do you mean? Ed was the one having a tantrum, not Caspian :- :-

Posted : December 24, 2010 9:57 am
8SilverSky
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Well, I agree about the fact that Edmund and Caspian stopped fighting because Lucy stepped in-between them, but after that point they had no choice to listen to what she had to say.

Don't forget that later on, as they discover the treasure Eustace found earlier, Edmund says: "Treasure...", to which Caspian replies: "Trouble." I think this means that they understood the danger that was associated with the gold on the island.

As for Aslan not appearing; it's like Douglas said in that one interview; Aslan had to be left out because of budget reasons. They put him in at the most important parts (such as the undragoning), whereas other "simpler" parts that could have been taken over by the other characters were handled as such.

I agree that the dufflepuds didn't have a lot of screen-time, but when you add up the bits where they are invisible and visible together, they still got a rather good amount of time, in my opinion. Just like Aslan, the dufflepuds were very expensive to create; probably the reason why Coriakin and the chief-dufflepud's conversation only shows the chief's upper-half ;) I thought that the dufflepuds were handled incredibly well though, just like in the book! They were hilarious! For those of you who haven't seen it yet, here's that article about the make-up department. There's some photos of other creatures in there, but the majority is dufflepud coolness! I love the way they made them look!
http://makeupmag.com/featured/id/771/

Sea Serpent was wonderful(ly intense)!

Posted : December 24, 2010 4:00 pm
Bookwyrm
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I wonder how much budget they would have had for Aslan if they had left out Ramandu's Daughter's silly Glowy Ball of Exposition transformations, the Green Mist appearing constantly, and the extended length Sea Serpent scenes. I think their priorities are fairly obvious and Aslan wasn't high on the list.

Posted : December 25, 2010 5:19 pm
Ithilwen
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When it came to the Dufflepuds, I can't really tell if they were accurate to the book or not, because I didn't get to know them at all. They were one of my favorite parts of the book -- and the series -- and it's a shame that Michael Apted gave up the chance to really use them in the film. As short as it was, it felt almost more like they were characters making a cameo than actual characters in the film.

I could tell immediately that Coriakin was not accurate to the book. In the book he was friendly and easy-going. In the movie, they were going for a more serious, mysterious approach. I think maybe a bit too serious and mysterious. The scene felt very awkward. I don't really think it was the fault of the actor -- I think he played the part well. But it didn't seem to fit somehow. It would have looked right, most likely, with just different camera angles, lighting, music, etc. As it was, I don't think the performance fit the scene.

The Deathwater scene was just okay to me. I think all the scenes in the movie felt a bit awkward, like it needed to be explained more. Everything was too rushed. I didn't feel I got involved emotionally in any scene at all. And this scene, in my opinion, should have been longer and more detailed. But it is not the worst scene in the movie, by far.

The Sea Serpent was okay. It didn't blow me away or anything. But it was creepy-looking.

~Riella

Posted : December 25, 2010 7:23 pm
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