Caspian does say that he hopes he will see Lilliandil again, and she nods her head in assent. You may have missed that bit. I did the first time I saw the movie. And of course, even in the movie, Caspian does have to return to Narnia, via Ramandu's Island.

^^ I noticed it. I just didn't think it was as strong in the movie as it was in the book. I think they could have done a little bit more with it than they did. Not too much more... but it could have been a little better handled. After all, Suspian had more screentime, and that wasn't even in the original books.

~Riella

I'm not a fan of the Susan/Caspian romance in PC but I voted for it because there was actually set up for the romance. I wish there was actually development between Caspian and RD. There was nothing, just "You are most beautiful," and "I hope we meet again," Nothing really there. I wish they hadn't dropped that Susan/Caspian mention in VDT. It fit but it also captured a strange flirting moment between Lucy and Caspian. I was hoping that after the credits that there would be a little clip of Caspian stopping back at R's island and asked RD back to Narnia with him. If/When they make SC, I hope they begin the film in Narnia and set up the whole RD and Caspian thing and build up to when she is killed and his son is taken before switching to Eustace and Jill.

Believe it or not, that is what I both hope and expect to happen. IF SC is ever made. Meanwhile, I voted for the Caspian/Lilliandil romance because we know there will be one, IF we get SC made, and because anything more than we saw on film would not only be as cheesy as all romances are in real life, but would get someone or other up on their high horse about being undignified, not seen in the book, and, er, some grown up words not suitable on this forum. It would also be irrelevant as the film is from the point of view of the Pevensies, Eustace, in particular. There are some things that need to stay in Narnia, as Caspian would remind us. And we don't need a Bollywood-style song and dance routine to emphasize the point.

The Susaspian idea wasn't ever a real romance, and no romance was really set up. All that stuff is merely a commentary on pure teenage hormonal fantasy, a reflection that Susan was considered beautiful, nothing more, and that someone like Prince Caspian might be overawed by her. Don King of Montreat College also has seen PC as the Narnia story which has a theme for Lust, and I wonder if his influence has also suggested the Walden interpretations of LWW, PC and now VDT, which in his view would obviously be the book for Greed.

PC at the end, did lead on into VDT, where Lucy can and does envy Susan whilst reading the Magician's book, in particular. This is reinforced when Susan has already found someone else in the postcard she sent from America, which is what we expect to happen, to lead up to her character arc finishing in LB in the extreme unlikelihood that book is ever filmed.

Caspian could say because of PC ending the way it did, that he hadn't found 'anyone to compare with your sister's beauty', instead of saying ungallantly he wasn't attracted to the Duke of Galma's daughter who 'squints and has freckles'. It also emphasizes that Lilliandil with a starry glow, does indeed compare with Susan's beauty, if that is a yardstick. Especially when Edmund, Susan's brother, agrees, as Caspian took note.

When Douglas Gresham says that the Susan/Caspian kiss was a bit of nonsense, when Adamson cut out a scene that got a bit too flirtatious, and when others suggest that it was put into PC because it was something Susan might do, shouldn't we, too, be seeing it as no more than Susan's own character development, and the effect she has on others? Including her younger sister?

Wouldn't it be nice if one day we could compare Susaspian with not only the romance between Caspian and Lilliandil, which even in the book, mainly happened on the way home to Narnia, but also with Susadash, another romance we know really did happen?

As much as I would have preferred to see a romance between Cas and Lil, it just wasn't really anything there. There was more (albeit somewhat less romantic) between Cas and Su, so I really have to (begrudgingly) say they did a better job on them.
The best relationship in VoDT has to be between Eustance and Rheep. lol

Yes, Reep and Eustace did have a very good relationship. I also liked how Caspian and Edmund learned to get along with each other. These were the major relationships of the story along with Lucy's learning to deal with her envy of Susan. That Caspian also eventually meets someone more appropriate to get involved with is the pleasant surprise of VDT, leading into SC.

As much as I would have preferred to see a romance between Cas and Lil, it just wasn't really anything there.

It depends on whether you think the Twilight/Mills & Boon/fanfic definition of romance is the only one worth considering. In my view, less is more, and a lot more palatable and preferable.

As in the book, the important thing to remember is that before Caspian can truly get involved with Lilliandil he has to choose to go back to Narnia because it is the right thing to do, leaving behind and letting go his past associations with the Pevensies and even Reepicheep, his gallant rodent friend for the sake of the people and country he has.

Lilliandil would have us know that kissing the sleeping beauty will not dissolve the spell in Narnia. First you dissolve the spell, then you get to kiss the princess. She would not have thought very much of a suitor who only went back to Narnia on her account.

As in the book, the important thing to remember is that before Caspian can truly get involved with Lilliandil he has to choose to go back to Narnia because it is the right thing to do, leaving behind and letting go his past associations with the Pevensies and even Reepicheep, his gallant rodent friend for the sake of the people and country he has.

Lilliandil would have us know that kissing the sleeping beauty will not dissolve the spell in Narnia. First you dissolve the spell, then you get to kiss the princess. She would not have thought very much of a suitor who only went back to Narnia on her account.

So true I loved both your posts. the only problem I have with this is that, even though less is more for us Narnia fans and we see the Romance as subtle and sweet because we know something is going to happen, a lot of the people who go to see the movie won't have read the books. In a way, the Caspiandil romance was better done for those of us who can take the subtle hints and connect them back to the book where we know they are applicable, but the casual movie goer isn't going to read anything into it, they're going to be left in the dark. They won't know that Caspian chooses to go back to Narnia, or that a relationship even does develop between the two. I would still say Suspian was done better when considering the large variety of fans, even though it's always the book fans that seem to get the short end of the stick

It is definitely good to hear they are considering flashbacks. I think that flashbacks should not include a snake until the owls tell the story to Eustace and Jill.

Okay, I suppose I will input my brief opinion on this topic since I used to BE _Lilliandil_, hehe.

Wich romace was done better in the movie? Caspian and Susan.
The Caspian and Liliandil was not expanded upon in teh VDT book or the movie. Wheras Caspian and Susan was a big part of the movie but non-existant in the book. That anoys me.

I support Caspian and Lilliandil firstly, beacuse I am a "purist" and if it goes against the book I dislike it.

While I think Susan and Lilliandil was kind of a nice touch to add interest and romance, It still only resulted in making me sad beacuse they coudln't be together.

Plus, it anoys me that Caspian gave his heart to Susan and kissed her, and I think that would make me feelbad if I was Lilliandil, who IS who he ends up marrying.

So... that's my opinion stated once and for all. (Sorry, that wasn't as brief as I wanted it to be...)

waggawerewolf I love how you explain your facts on page 6 with such dignity and reassurance! I agree with everything you had to say about Susan's character arc and what romance is and isn't. That's why I voted for Caspian/Lilliandil because I feel as if Apted is not finish with their story at all.

Ithilwen, I agree to some of your opinions, I too agree that if Caspian would have implied going back to Ramandu Island then the regular audience goers would have thought 'Okay Caspian has met his true love' but since he didn't it's up to Apted to make Silver Chair and imply their love for each other. back to waggawerewolf I agree that the attraction is already established and that he hopes to meet her again. If any audience member looks that over and thinks suspian is better than they are obviously more into the twilight type romance and not into a true developing romance.

StarAsterisk, Is that really why you've decided to change your username? Plus Capian did not ever give his heart out for Susan because it never happened.

Susan: It never would of worked anyway.
Caspian: Why not?

There's the proof that they never established a romantic relationship to begin with. i agree with waggawerewolf that the kiss was just an established farewell kiss that Susan gave to Caspian and nothing else.

To be honest both romances were a disappointment, but it's just the beginning for Caspian/Lilliandil.

^^no, the reason I changed my username has nothing to do with this, it's just because StarAsterisk has a more personel meaning to me.

I don't think Caspian was emotionless towards Susan, but maybe you are right... Caspian did NOT give his heart to Susan if you think of it that way. Thank you, that makes my happyer.

And yes, it's just the begining for Caspian and Lilliandil!

(Whereas it is the e.n.d. for Caspian and Susan)

based on the question on the poll- Susan/Caspain was done better in the movie. Though was no real "romance" with Lilliandil and Caspian in VDT more like a tiny bit of flirting

^^Yes I suppose that is true, and very anoying to me.

WEll despite the fact the Lillandiel and Caspian are the books romance if we were going by movies the Caspian+Susan all the way!

I'm a fan of the Suspian because it probably made PC more attractive to older viewers, but it wasn't in the book and was a bit random if i'm honest.You don't just go up to someone you have a crush on and kiss them! But it doesn't matter because Caspiandil is clearly the future (we probably all know what happens in SC). I think that it is good how Caspian was subtle with his affection for Lilliandil because it is more realistic. I guess in SC there will be a flash back and maybe a falling in love clip montage (but hopefully nothing cheesy) which will explain the falling in love and marriage. I guess this is what some others are thinking too?