Yeah I agree with Coracle. Too bad the scene in PC when Caspian looks up to the stars with his tutor wasn't shown. It could have played easily into this. Still it would look rather strange to start off a romance without them calling each other by name.
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Well, since VODT isn't chiefly a romance and has only got aspects of a romance near the end with Caspian and RD, it's not entirely necessary to give RD a name. Unless they dramatically expand her screentime, (*cringes*) they should be able to pull off not giving her a name. It adds to her mystery, and she doesn't really need one. At least, we don't need to know it.
Ramandu could just say, "This is my daughter", or Caspian & the others could say, "My Lady." It's possible. I'm not saying it's gonna happen, but it's possible.
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I have strong feelings about RD not getting a name for the movie though I would let it slide if they failed to give her a name. After all she wasn't given a name in the books which kind of irks me if you couldn't tell. I am not a huge feminist or anything but I don't see where having a woman refered to by which man has her makes her mysterious. I mean come on. Ramandu's Daughter? Caspian's Wife? Rilian's Mother? Or you could refer to her by her occupation. The Queen. This does not make her feel more mysterious to me. It makes her hard to connect to as a character. It makes her seem distant and like a random add in that who is just here so Caspian could have an heir, and I do hope they expand her character a little more than was in the book.
I realize that's just my opinion and I am a little crazy sometimes. It does seem beautiful and majestic and mysterious to a lot of people that RD doesn't get a name. But realistically, unless they are extremely talented it's going to be hard to make it sound good to the adverage movie goer who has not read the books and would like to know the name of Caspian's new queen.
Even if they pulled it off during the movie how will they pull if off in the credits? Call us crazy, but me and my sister have been known to have a really good time making fun of credits, especially the names they assign to unnamed characters "Geeky Boy" There's not really a way I can think of that they can name RD in the credits and not make it sound kinda stupid imho.
I hope RD's role is expanded on Ramandu Island. I hope it's 12 minutes longer then the BBC version so we can get an idea that Caspian is falling for this girl.
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What does everyone think of the name Alambil? (The star who is the 'Lady of Peace' in Prince Caspian.) I think it would be a fascinating name for RD because of its connections to PC and because it's a name CS Lewis created. (Not that I want her to get a name, but it might be necessary.)
Alrighty, I've been allowed to post this and Tirian can confirm from when he saw the footage a few months ago. Ramandu's Daughter does indeed have a name in this movie. Her name is Lilliandil. There's a little bit more information surrounding that name, but I'm going to hold off on sharing it til I get the all clear.
And yes, I'll be posting the story here in a bit, but I'm doing some more research at the moment.
ETA: Ok, I double checked and was given the ok to share... Douglas Gresham was the person who came up with the name. I love it!
Its a great name. Something not typical and a bit lyrical. It definitely fits well with other Narnian names like Ramandu and Coriakin.
Good point starkat: Lilliandill does go along nicely with the other names. And I'm glad it was Douglas Gresham who got to name her; most fitting and appropriate.
So there it is, an official RD name: Lilliandill. I do believe I like it. I wonder if the Lily type flowers or petals of the Silver Sea were an influence or inspiration?
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I like the name! it's so cool! very nice choice, Mr. Gresham!
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Pretty good name. I'm really sort of indifferent about them giving Ramandu's daughter a name; I would have been okay if they hadn't but I'm okay that they did too. Don't think it affects the story at all.
*is undoubtedly going to be impaled with tomatoes for not knowing whether it's "affect" or "effect"*
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Ever since they named the Witch's Dwarf in LWW, I had a gut feeling they'd name Ramandu's Daughter. And so they did.
It's a very pretty name. I had a feeling it would be something flowery. While I wasn't really wanting her to get a name (I feel it takes away from her mystery in the book), I think it does fit her character. Very nice choice, Mr. Gresham!
I must admit I have mixed feelings. On one hand, I really like her name, and I wouldn't have wanted anyone but Douglas Gresham to name her. On the other hand, I didn't want her to have a name. Now she'll need a character to go with the name. In the book, she doesn't really have much character development, and so a name wasn't needed. However, I was expecting that she would have to be named for the movie, so I was prepared for it. I do like it, even if I didn't want it. I think I'm contradicting myself.
I wonder if the Lily type flowers or petals of the Silver Sea were an influence or inspiration?
I was wondering that myself.
I hope RD's role is expanded on Ramandu Island. I hope it's 12 minutes longer then the BBC version so we can get an idea that Caspian is falling for this girl.
And I hope she doesn't have more. If they expand the romance, it will take away from the voyage. Besides, in the book it's basically Caspian thinks she's pretty and she smiles at him. It's not really a romance, although it is extremely sweet.
I really liked 'Lucy' suggestion on the front page comments.
Lilliandil looks a little bit, to me, like her son’s name, "Rilian"
Besides, in the book it's basically Caspian thinks she's pretty and she smiles at him.
I disagree with you a little bit here. At least regarding Caspian. I felt Lewis was rather obvious showing that Caspian had fallen head over heels for RD. Aside from him trying to steal a kiss from her to wake the sleeping Lords she is the only reason holding him back from sailing to Aslan's Country at the end of the world. At least before Aslan talks to him.
Pretty good name. I'm really sort of indifferent about them giving Ramandu's daughter a name; I would have been okay if they hadn't but I'm okay that they did too. Don't think it affects the story at all.
*is undoubtedly going to be impaled with tomatoes for not knowing whether it's "affect" or "effect"*
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If they were going to give Ramandu's Daughter a name, I'm glad Douglas Gresham made it. I would rather they left her nameless if only to give her another layer of mystery, but it's not a big deal and I really like the name Lilliandil. Can't complain.