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In chapter 12 Jill didn't even react to the situation where Eustace was being dragged and thrown into the stable door. Only Tirian and the Jewel reacted to it.

And that's all we need to know, really. The Narnia books aren't about relationships and shipping. As fun as it is shipping Friends of Narnia with each other and other characters, that's all it is: fun. Supposals and things for fans to speculate about. The only way a ship is actually canon is if the author comes out in the story and states it as canon somehow. Since Lewis didn't do that with any of the Friends of Narnia, none of the ships are canon in the full sense of the word.

I wasn't trying to say that a romantic relationship between Eustace and Jill was canon in the books. Especially not canon in the overt way, such as with Caspian and Ramandu's Daughter, where we are told by the author that the two characters are in love/in a relationship. Lewis never came out and said they were a couple, therefore they weren't. If we were able to ask Lewis if Jill was in love with Eustace, and he said no, it wouldn't surprise me at all. That wasn't the point I was trying to make. The point I was trying to make was that, in the films, if we absolutely have to have an added romance in the movie, I would rather it be something like Eustace/Jill, because then it would at least have something in the books to tie it to.

Let me take Susan and Caspian for example. Obviously, their relationship was not canon. But even more than that, I don't remember there being anything between the two of them in the books that could even be perceived as romantic, even when looking at it from different angles, or twisting certain passages. It was completely the invention of the filmmakers. Whereas, with that passage about Jill feeling shy around Eustace - it doesn't make a romantic relationship between them canon - but it is at least something that the reader could perceive as romantic if looking at it from a certain angle. Therefore, if we had to have a non-canon romance in the movies, something like Eustace/Jill would make more sense to me than something like Susan/Caspian. Because - even though both relationships are non-canon and were brought into the story by the filmmakers - at least there's a passage in the canon that we could say might have sparked the idea for Eustace/Jill in the movie. Whereas, we can't say that at all for Susan/Caspian: the filmmakers took that out of thin air. In other words, if we have to have non-canon things, I would rather have those non-canon things be at least somewhat based on or inspired by canon.

Does that make more sense?

~Riella

I understand what you now mean. I respect your opinion on your perceiving outlook.

However I thought different. The part where Jill is crying, I already knew about that in the chapter but I perceived it as how everything was getting very intense in that moment. She even mourned over many other things that were happening. Yes you're right about my saying that she didn't react about trying to save Eustace. I just thought that if I were in Jill's situation I'd run out to my friend. I remember her accidently shooting down other Narnian's so maybe she didn't fight back for her friend because she was scared she might hit him and not one of the calormenes. This gives me a new perspective. but would I perceive it as romantic? No. It would be the same reaction if my best friend was being dragged off. No romantic feelings attached, just frightened for my friend.

As for her feeling shy, I perceived it as a startle. It did say she was impressed to but mainly I think she was a bit surprised by it. I was this way with my best friend yesterday as he gave a great load of advice, I was very impressed by it and startled that it came from him because it was a huge help but did I perceive it like I can be romantic with him? No.

However the way I perceive it and how you may read what i said probably won't change your opinions. Just like opinions I have on Jill's blushing around Tirian, Tirian not answering Scrubb's question and instead slips his arm around Jill to comfort her, and in chapter 7 I loved how Jill was backing up with Tirian while they were trying to convince the dwarves, Tirian's wonderful compliments about Jill (Even though Eustace did too however I perceived that as a safe high five compliment), there were many others and I can go on and on. However I believe that the second thing I said could easily be perceived as something romantic between Jill and Tirian.

Again I'm not saying that your perception is wrong Ithilwen. I respect it and I acknowledge that both are not canon since CS Lewis said nothing about both parties, it's just i believe that Jill and Tirian could be worked out more because there is so much more there.

At the end of SC (book) Jill goes to a party where she wears her Narnian get-up.
What if that party was Susan's engagement party? To a much younger Caspian look-alike perhaps? .....
Rabadash? Wasn't that sort of scenario hinted at in Lucy's beauty spell in VDT? I can see how on some such occasion that Susan might say things like "fancy you remembering those funny games we played as children", that she would be too busy with wedding plans and socialising to give Jill the time of day, that she would be too happy flashing around her gorgeous engagement ring to be interested in meetings to discuss Narnia, and that Polly Plummer, if she was there, would have some grounds for her LB comments?

I can't see this at all. Polly and Jill would SAY something much more specific if Susan was engaged, rather than that Susan is only interested in nylons and lipstick and invitations.

I can't see this at all. Polly and Jill would SAY something much more specific if Susan was engaged, rather than that Susan is only interested in nylons and lipstick and invitations.

But Polly did say something more specific than an interest in nylons, lipstick and invitations. She said that Susan had wasted her education to get to the silliest time of one's life, and would try to stay that age as long as possible, and that she wished Susan really would grow up. Jill also said that Susan was rather too keen on being grown up. And both Eustace and Peter also had something to say, that Susan was no longer a friend of Narnia, and that whenever Peter wanted to get her to come to meetings she would say "fancy their remembering those games...." When rereading that bit I got the impression that whatever had been going on had been going on for some time, and that Susan had been evading the 7 friends of Narnia. And I wondered why. It all depends on how much time elapsed between the end of Silver Chair and Last Battle, when Susan was missing from the meeting of the Friends of Narnia, Tirian had attended.

According to the Focus on the Family Radio Drama of the Last Battle, C.S.Lewis did not feel he could write any more Narnia books, and that if he tried it would be forced and wouldn't work. Last Battle is supposed to tie things up, with the destruction of Calormen, the 7 friends of Narnia in a train crash, even Mr & Mrs Pevensie being killed in that train crash, but Susan being conspicuously left alive. C.S.Lewis did say that Susan had grown into a vain and silly young woman, but might mend in her own time and in her own way. If he had said anything more than that you'd have people looking for her all over the place and demanding a sequel.

Jill and the rest wouldn't mention a further character if C.S.Lewis didn't want to write a sequel, especially if they feared the further character was part of the problem, which was specifically Susan denying that Narnia had any reality, that they had only been playing games as children, and that for some reason she wanted to forget all about it. Rabadash would definitely be one such reason.

Jill and Tirian meet in Narnia, though. But she's a bit too young for him.

The Last Battle takes place 7 years after The Silver Chair. Jill Pole would already grew up by then.

Where do you get 7 years???

According to the book - "I'm Eustace Scrubb and this is Jill Pole," said the Boy. "And we were here once before, ages and ages ago, more than a year ago by our time, and there was a chap called Prince Rilian, and they were keeping this chap underground, and Puddleglum put his foot in -"

Which to me says, that it was over a year, but less than two - otherwise Eustace would have said, "two or three years ago" or "a few years ago."

parableproductions, that is very understandable however I always looked at that as an inconsistency. Reason being is that the Pevensie's are a lot older and Lucy is supposed to be 17. Eustace is a year younger than her as should Jill. That is why I go by the time table of the years in Narnia and the years that went by on earth because it is more consistent than the books.

Also if a year really did go by between Silver Chair and Last Battle then the debates between Jill/Tirian and Lucy/Tirian would pretty much be useless considering the both would be extremely too young for Tirian.

I believe it was just a time mistake. As a writer I do that often too.