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[Closed] Jill Pole: Appearance, Personality, and Portrayal

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AslansChild
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I always thought Jill would be kinda tall and willow-y. Or maybe she'd be the opposite...kinda chubby. (another reason to be bullied?)

Also, she'd have kinda limp hair, dark, and colorless eyes, like gray...not alot of life in appearances...but her personality has alot of spunk. She's always willing to help Eustace out of a jam...and beat his persecutors up at the same time. ;)

I'm actually for a Jill/Eustace romance (not kissing or anything, just...better friends...more grown up)...but when they're in England...they should just be buddies...I always thought of the school as a military school: Blue shorts, long socks, blue jackets...stuff like that. But once they're in Narnia and they learn to use a bow and arrow and stuff...Eustace can see that Jill is kinda...girly. She'll have narnian dresses, and her hair could get a little more volume and curl a little at the ends...and she'll defiantly be way happier to be away from the bullies.

Another point...i haven't read the book in years...but why couldn't the bullies at school be girls? I mean, in real life: boys bully boys, girls torment other girls.

I always thought it would be a cool scene for the (boy) bullies to walk by and do something to Eustace...and Jill would say: "Don't let 'um bother you Eustace...they're just bullies." And later the (girl) bully's tease Jill about being ugly or a tomboy or something, and Eustace would grin and say: "Don't let 'um get to you Jill...they're just cats." (or whatever) and then she'd smile a bit and feel better.

any thoughts?

"...when my heart is overwhwlemed, lead me to the Rock that is higher than I."
-Pslam 61:2

Posted : June 18, 2011 2:02 pm
Lu_valient
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I like http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u108/justwigitfashions/Close%20up%20of%20Colours/?action=view¤t=140.jpg for Jill's hair color


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Posted : June 18, 2011 3:00 pm
Jill_Pole
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Aslans Child: I like the idea of her being tall and skinny, like a bean "pole" and people can tease her for being like her name.

Would you agree that in England she has a limp personality because she is crying quite a bit. Then in Narnia her personality and appearance perks up and she has more 'spunk'

Instead of a 'romance' between Eustace and Jill prehaps just some tension for example if Jill gets a fright she will grab Eustace and hide behind him and then realize what she is doing and let go of him awkwardly.... I can think of several moments when that would lighten the story and would provide a bit of a sub plot.

I am re-reading the book now and she apparently is wearing shorts, but I think that she should wear them underneath the Narnian dress as to provide modesty.

(Lu_Valient, that is a good colour)

For the beginning of the movie I would start with this (this is copy pasted from another forum)

The whole thing could start with the camera following an old fashioned car though the school gates and then it lifts up and does and areal shot and you see (half birds eye view) Eustace saying goodbye to Edmund and Lucy and then because the camera is level with a window, it "melts through" the glass and you see Jill alone in a class room, watching out the window.

Then cut to a scene of Eustace walking through the corridors and then after seeing the bullies/ them, ducks through a side door and eventually bursts into the classroom Jill is in. She turns around and sees him, and he trys to talk to he ("Oh! Hello... Pole... Sorry, erm, I didn't know you where.... Hi..) and she rushes past him and runs out of the room.

He sits down at a desk and takes out his diary and looks at drawings he has done... they begin to move and he draws other things and when the camera pans out again the class is on and the mayhem of these schools is apparent. The teacher (female) is crying being comforted by two students. Other stuff, and Jill is sitting on a window sill reading (but you don't see who she is yet). the camera "Walks" up the aisle and when it gets to the front one of the bullies throws a paper ball at Jill (camera follows ball as it hits he head and falls into her lap, you still havent seen her properly). She picks it up, and screws it and reads "you're next" and then finally the camera pans up and you see her face....

I won't post all of it now, but that my idea for a start, then following that would be the bullies chasing her because I don't want the movie to just start with her crying

Posted : June 19, 2011 10:31 pm
AslansChild
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I really like your idea of the shots and everything...and including that bit with Ed and Lu would be a great cameo for Skandar and Georgie!

Few questions though:

1. "Then cut to a scene of Eustace walking through the corridors and then after seeing the bullies/ them, ducks through a side door and eventually bursts into the classroom Jill is in. She turns around and sees him, and he trys to talk to he ("Oh! Hello... Pole... Sorry, erm, I didn't know you where.... Hi..) and she rushes past him and runs out of the room."

Why would Eustace be a little stuttering-y with Jill, don't they know each other? And why would she run out of the room? And I thought only the bullies called her "Pole" And don't the Pevensies know who Jill is? Wouldn't Eustace introduce her to them, and vice versa?

2."The teacher (female) is crying being comforted by two students. Other stuff, and Jill is sitting on a window sill reading (but you don't see who she is yet). "

Why is the teacher crying? Is her husband at war? Is the war still on in this book?
Why is Jill at the window reading when schools started? And why wouldn't the audience know who she was if in the earlier scene Eustace see her and calls her "Pole" and you see her clearly through the window while Eustace is saying good bye to the Pevensies?

3. To clarify...she reads "you're next"...as in, it's in her book? She's not just saying it under her breath?

Sorry for all the questions...I really love all your ideas, I just wanted to clarify some things. (And I haven't read the book in years...so I forgot a lot )

"...when my heart is overwhwlemed, lead me to the Rock that is higher than I."
-Pslam 61:2

Posted : June 20, 2011 4:48 am
Pattertwigs Pal
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Another point...i haven't read the book in years...but why couldn't the bullies at school be girls? I mean, in real life: boys bully boys, girls torment other girls.

In the book, the bullies were both boys and girls. Also, I was bullied by both boys and girls so it isn't always the case that boys bully boys and girls bully girls.

Mod Note: This thread is beginning to get off topic and starting to discuss what the movie should be like. Please keep to discussing aspects of Jill's character. :) If you would like to discuss scenes in the movie, please do it in the The Silver Chair: Your Thoughts on the Possible Film. The first post is here. Thank you. :)


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Posted : June 20, 2011 10:11 am
Jill_Pole
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(Sorry Pattertwigs Pal, nobody has posted on that thread for ages, and I will only bring up my cinematic ideas that relate to portraying Jill, is that ok?)

1. Well, because "last term" Eustace was almost "one of them" and as really mean to Jill, and now he is trying to be nice. Also, he as just left the two people who he could talk about his experiences with and he is trying to befriend Jill who he knows hates the school as much as he does. :)

2. I have no idea why I put that, but I really wanted to show that the teacher wasn't in control. :-s

I think, its jsut that you dont see Jill clearly until that point? Prehaps until then you just see half her face or something? You are really making me think about what I write, and how I should make it better THANK YOU!!!!! :D

3. She reads "your next" from the piece of paper that was thrown at her from one of the bullies :)

Don't worry about asking questions, I do it all the time :)

Pattertwigs Pal: I agree that the bullies should be both boys and girls, and I was also bullied, but by only girls because I was at a single gender school.... it stays with you for life :(

Posted : June 21, 2011 12:37 am
Pattertwigs Pal
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(Sorry Pattertwigs Pal, nobody has posted on that thread for ages, and I will only bring up my cinematic ideas that relate to portraying Jill, is that ok?)

As long as it relates to Jill and how she is portrayed that's fine. Jill needs to be the focus. For example, showing her reaction to certain settings or characters.


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Posted : June 21, 2011 8:43 am
Elanor
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I voted Brunette (I think her hair should be very dark; maybe not quite black, but a darkish brown), brown eyes, and straight hair. I cannot imagine her with anything but straight her. :P


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Posted : June 21, 2011 9:09 am
Jill_Pole
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The only problem with that may be that the Pevensie's mostly had dark hair..... I think straight did suit her in the BBC version, but depending on the actress wavy may suit...

Posted : June 23, 2011 12:30 am
CharlotteRose
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NarniaWeb Nut

Jill_Pole, I agree. It will deffinately depend on the actor because they will have a 'look' and that may not be what we expect but i'm sure it will be great whatever she looks like... :)

Narnia is childhood...

Seriously, just give the kid the orange. He needs his vitamin C!

Posted : June 23, 2011 10:41 am
AslansChild
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Hi Jill_Pole...thanks for clarifying that up for me...I really really like your ideas!

"...when my heart is overwhwlemed, lead me to the Rock that is higher than I."
-Pslam 61:2

Posted : June 24, 2011 4:57 am
Evelyn
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NarniaWeb Regular

Like I said before, I don't really mind what hair color, I just would advise the casting directors to stay away from brunette with blue eyes, because that would look like a Pevensie. But I think if she had curly hair, that would really be different and look good! Elanor, it does mention in one book something about her curls. I think it's LB? I'd have to check. I do like her in BBC, though.

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Posted : June 27, 2011 7:28 am
Lilygloves
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Even though I imagine her much different from the illustrations, I still hope she looks like the Pauline Bayne illustration.

Posted : June 27, 2011 7:16 pm
NarnianAtHeart
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Lilygloves I also really like how she is illustrated...she is a little shorter than Eustace,short hair,and somewhat skinny.

Evelyn,in SC when they are in Harfang and they are fooling the giants it said that she was shaking her curls like a child..I am not sure if that is the exact wording,I will look it up later.

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Posted : June 28, 2011 2:58 am
CharlotteRose
(@charlotterose)
NarniaWeb Nut

I would like her with curls...but BBC Camilla Power was really good as Jill so I'm still hoping the (potential) new Jill would look similar! :)

Narnia is childhood...

Seriously, just give the kid the orange. He needs his vitamin C!

Posted : June 28, 2011 6:21 am
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