Since this all apparently takes place on the dark Island, the WW could very well be a nightmare of Edmund's, which would mean he was heading in the opposite way of the temping in LWW.
memento mori
I just hope they don't try to change to many things by bringing more aspects to the story!
Okay, firstly, I just have to say I completely agree with Daughter of the King . I never thought that Edmund was trying to claim real authority over Caspian. Edmund only brings up that he is over Caspian twice. Really, if Ed wanted to claim authority than he would have said it more times. Caspian and him both fell into the sin of greed, and because they both had authority they both claimed it. Edmund just had more than Caspian. Plus, I don't even really count the second time because, Caspian was acting dumb and everyone was trying to stop him from going to the end of the world and over the edge. I really dislike the whole temptation thing they are making Ed go through in the movie. Also, if the White Witch really wanted to tempt Edmund why didn't she try to tempt him with something he didn't already have. He was already King and much more.
I'll park my ditto right here. I think the movie is going to explore Edmund's temptation to be king over Caspian or superior to Caspian. And I think they are going to give him this unwillingness to acknowledge Caspian's authority as current king. After reading the character profile on "voyage of the characters" I am even more convinced that this is the direction the movie makers decided to go with Edmund.
I also agree that this arc may have been taken from the two instances in the book where Edmund and Caspian argue.
However, I also agree with those who say that this is a completely inaccurate portrayal of Edmund's character. While it may not be as extreme as PC Peter, I still don't think there is any evidence in any of the books that Edmund feels this way. It is something that the movie makers added to give Edmund a struggle. VDT isn't about Edmund or his character. He is a support character. And he has no problem being such. In the book he is always given the respect due his position. There is no evidence to support that Edmund feels that he has always been second or under Peter's control and he can now break free. While he was on the throne, he lead the Narnian army into battle by himself at least once that we are aware of--and seemed pretty comfortable in the position. He was considered "great in council and judgement" which means he had alot of influence over decisions made during their reign.
He is under Aslan and High King Peter as is Caspian. They are equals--nothing in the book suggest they treat each other as anything else. In the book, they are also friends. It is sounding more and more like they are going to ignore or downplay this in the movie and I think its too bad. Caspian is very happy to see both Edmund and Lucy and they are eager to catch up. Caspian calls Edmund "brother" and gives them all respect due their positions. he is not threatened or annoyed by their presence.
My view of Deathwater has always been that Lewis was trying to make a point about greed. Both Caspian and Edmund act very out of character in this scene and I think that was the author's intention. To make the point that greed has the potential to corrupt even the most honorable of people and come between the best of friends. When Aslan brings everyone to their senses, Caspian realizes that he has just been making dire threats to people he cares very much about. This could be a very powerful moment in the movie if done correctly. Whether this was an "enchanted" greed or just the plain old variety, it caused them to act in a way they would not normally act. It was a temptation of enormous magnitude--a Midas touch kind of story.
The only other time Edmund argues with Caspian is at the end of the world when Caspian wants to abdicate. There is nothing here either that suggests Edmund wants to "be King over Caspian". On the contrary, he is telling Caspian that he needs to go home and be king. He says "I am not your subject" and "You can't do this" And he is absolutely correct. Caspian cannot do what he is wanting to do. And Edmund is the only one on that ship, other than Lucy, who is in a position to talk to Caspian as an equal. Nothing he says here is untrue. And he is arguing FOR Caspian to be king.
I do think the movie makers have changed Edmund's character. While a little disappointing because Edmund is my favorite, I am just hoping it isn't as blatant and over the top as PC Peter and doesn't permeate the whole movie. But that is my own personal pet peeve. Nothing turns me off more than an alpha male contest. I still think the movie is going to be amazing even if they do take Edmund out of character.
I think the movie is going to explore Edmund's temptation to be king over Caspian or superior to Caspian. And I think they are going to give him this unwillingness to acknowledge Caspian's authority as current king. After reading the character profile on "voyage of the characters" I am even more convinced that this is the direction the movie makers decided to go with Edmund.
@fireheart209: I agree with your assessment of Edmund's character as it is revealed in book VDT. But I disagree with the part I quoted above, namely your judgment of the movie. We haven't seen it. We just don't know what they plan to do with Edmund's character arc, do we? It's anyone's guess. Yes, movie trailers, NW discussions, and the Characters website can give us some inklings of the film, but they only go so far. And I also disagree with your assessment of Edmund's profile on the Characters website. What portion of it made you think they would change Edmund in film VDT?
Of course we don't know. I don't know for sure if Edmund's character arc will be about the temptation to be king, but I put forth a speculation based on a few things.
Douglas Gresham and others have already stated that the theme of the movie will be temptation.
The "I'm a king" and "I can make you my king" lines from the trailer. And the following things from the profile.
The phrase "nightmare of the White Witch who promises to make him her king. Through enduring temptation...."
The statement that in the past Edmund has fought "in humble submission to (High King Peter and) Prince Caspian." This makes me ask the question, "is there an assumption made that Caspian has always been "above" Edmund in rank and Edmund's place is in submission to Caspian's authority?"
The statement that they argue over "who is really king"
The statement that "at first Edmund refuses to submit to King Caspian's sovereignty" The "at first" is an interesting phrase. It makes me ask "Does that mean that he later does submit to Caspian's authority and that is how he overcomes his temptation?"
My speculation is that the movie takes from the book a moment of temptation for Edmund (Deathwater), assumes it is about him wanting to be king (rather than about possessing the gold) and turns it into a bigger more drawn out struggle with temptation.
My opinion is that this does change Edmund's character from the book and, as others have said, regresses rather than progresses his charracter's growth. Who is suppose to be in sumission to whom is simply not an issue in the book. Neither king is threatened by the other. It leaves me wondering how big this struggle for authority is going to be and is it going to turn into an "alpha male struggle" like the one between Peter and Caspian in PC.
My hope is that it is not a big part of the movie because my opinion is that it would detract from the story of Eustace's transformation.