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                        <title>RE: The Coronation of King Charles III</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2023 01:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@waggawerewolf27 thank you very much for starting the thread and keeping us up to date with reports.
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                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@waggawerewolf27 thank you very much for starting the thread and keeping us up to date with reports.</p>
<p>I think we'll give it one more week in case anyone missed contributing but still still wants to.  I'll close it on 31 July/1 August.</p>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 21 Jul 2023 01:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just received my weekly copy of the International Express, for July 20-26, which reports some trouble going on in the BBC, itself. Last week&#039;s edition, for July 13-19, of 2023 did have ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> I've just received my weekly copy of the <em>International Express</em>, for July 20-26, which reports some trouble going on in the BBC, itself. Last week's edition, for July 13-19, of 2023 did have a two-page spread, to describe a decidedly low-key event, little more than a presentation at a thanksgiving service, compared to the three-day Coronation festivities, starting on May 6th with the Coronation, itself.</p>
<p>Only the King, Queen, and Prince &amp; Princess of Wales attended, three of them dressed in the robes of the Order of the Thistle. There were about 650 leading figures from Scottish national life who also attended, including Nicole Sturgeon &amp; the present First Minister of Scotland, Humza Yousaf, who wants to replace the monarchy, according to the article, but who gave a Bible reading. We did see a bit of what happened in dribs &amp; drabs, on TV. But it seems it was impossible to watch the thanksgiving service in St Giles, "melding the ancient &amp; modern", or so it was said. Even the coverage was muted in magazines &amp; newspapers, though I did find an online Daily Express article with some sort of recognition of the event. The Moderator of the Church of Scotland, who also assisted in the May 6th coronation, conducted the service, which, according to International Express, was said to have had beautiful music. "The Moderator, who was born &amp; raised in South Carolina, but ordained as a Church of Scotland minister in 1999, added: Your Majesties, you have made it part of your mission to speak alongside Creation, advocating for it." </p>
<p>"The sceptre, thought to be a Papal gift to James IV, , was first used... at the coronation of Mary, Queen of Scots, in 1543". But this weekly newspaper, which I get at our local newsagent, also revealed that a new sword, named the Elizabeth Sword, with a very fancy hilt, a picture of which I have appended to this post, was carried by Olympic rower, Dame Katherine Grainger, was made for Wednesday's, July 5th ceremony, as the existing 16th century blade is now too fragile to use. Though the Stone of Destiny is now included in the Honours of Scotland, there wasn't a mention of it in this article. </p>
<p>And now, these events have finally finished, we learned yesterday that the Victorian Government has closed down any idea of the Commonwealth Games being held in Regional Victoria in 2026, due to an inflationary cost blowout. I think it is now time to close down this thread, as well, so I will be contacting the moderators, now all the rejoicing is done.  {ym}:sad:   </p>
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                        <title>RE: The Coronation of King Charles III</title>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 08 Jul 2023 05:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@Varnafinde: But if there are snippets on YouTube, I&#039;d love to watch some of those. What should I search for?

All we did was type in keywords, Scottish Coronation, &amp; for a refinement,...]]></description>
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<p><span> @Varnafinde: But if there are snippets on YouTube, I'd love to watch some of those. What should I search for?</span></p>
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<p>All we did was type in keywords, Scottish Coronation, &amp; for a refinement, if it helps, the 5th July 2023 date, in usually free You Tube &amp; took a look at what was available on our television screen when that particular TV allows us access to Netflix, Paramount, &amp; other streaming services as well. But we could have done this on a computer as well. As I've already noted, CNN, The Daily Telegraph (UK) &amp; The Royal Family Channel supplied the most useful information. We at least got a good view of St Giles' Cathedral, which we didn't visit when we were there.</p>
<p>However, I am sure all the glossy weekly &amp; monthly magazines, such as New Idea, Woman's Day &amp; the Women's Weekly in Australia, may show pictures at some point or other. There was nothing in International Express this week, but that weekly publication comes out on Wednesdays, anyway. Those kilts, after all, looked quite colourful, as did those robes they wore for the Order of the Thistle, whilst the Princess of Wales wore a blue dress that matched the colour of the Scottish St Andrew's Saltire flag. </p>
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<p>@Coracle: <span>Unfortunately, it had as much about the protestors  as about the coronation.</span><br /><span>I heard one sentence spoken by the King.</span></p>
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<p>I expect you are right, &amp; that the one sentence spoken by the King was a response or a thank you. Whilst we were flipping through the You Tube snippets; I did get a glimpse of the King wearing that 1540 AD Scottish <a title="Scottish crown" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_of_Scotland#See_also" target="_blank" rel="noopener">crown</a>, but not long enough to find out if he sat on the Stone of Destiny a second time. Unlike the St Edward's crown from 1661, that Scottish crown actually seemed to fit comfortably, even though it was older by far, &amp; plainer to look at.</p>
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<p><span>@Courtenay: Now the attitude seems to be "now that she's gone, the gloves are off" (I saw an anti-monarchy protestor quoted as saying something to that effect)</span></p>
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<p>I think you could be right, when the protesters also seem to be part of the eventual outcome from Princess Diana's funeral, some 25 years earlier, last year. However, if the Monarchy goes, there will also go much of the entertainment &amp; prosperity for the publishing industry, especially in UK &amp; the Commonwealth, I'd imagine. Even if 75-year-old Queen Camilla may not have been seen as popular in that time, though I'm sure she does her best, at least Catherine, Princess of Wales, still is a welcome figure on important &amp; seasonal occasions. </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2023 08:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Posted by: @coracle 
Unfortunately it had as much about the protestors  as about the coronat...]]></description>
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<p>Unfortunately it had as much about the protestors  as about the coronation.</p>
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<p>I think the protestors are getting a lot of airtime simply because it's a relatively novel thing. During the late Queen's lifetime there weren't nearly as many public protests against the monarchy, largely because she was so loved and respected — even a lot of people who were opposed to the monarchy in principle wouldn't openly say a bad word against the Queen herself and they might even admit she was doing a pretty good job. Now the attitude seems to be "now that she's gone, the gloves are off" (I saw an anti-monarchy protestor quoted as saying something to that effect). Which I think is a bit sad, but this is a democracy and they do have a right to make their views known so long as they're not harming anyone.</p>
<p>It's probably also because New Zealand, like Australia, has the British monarch as its head of state, but there's a good deal of debate within those countries as to whether that should continue, so protests against the monarchy in Britain itself are seen as a point of interest. As a dual citizen, I can see both sides of the argument, which I won't go into here, as this forum (rightly!) is not the place for getting into political discussions.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2023 00:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[We had a report on it, on the 6pm news last night. Unfortunately it had as much about the protestors [I believe that many were not Scottish but had travelled up from England, a sort of rent-...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had a report on it, on the 6pm news last night. <br />Unfortunately it had as much about the protestors  as about the coronation. <br />I heard one sentence spoken by the King.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2023 21:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I guess I might have been allowed to buy a TV licence there and then, and to use it from abroad. But it wouldn&#039;t be worth it spending that much on it and then only use it once. But if there ...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I might have been allowed to buy a TV licence there and then, and to use it from abroad. But it wouldn't be worth it spending that much on it and then only use it once. But if there are snippets on YouTube, I'd love to watch some of those. What should I search for?</p>
<p>I looked for it, but I think it wasn't even mentioned on Norwegian TV.</p>
<p>Good to hear that King Charles was wearing the crown at some point, I guess that was the main point of the ceremony. I assume he was not sitting on the Stone, although that would have been a great detail to introduce  {ym}:giggle:  </p>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2023 06:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t see it either, when it was too late in the evening, for me to watch anything. But this afternoon, having read your remarks, we did get to see a bit of it, in dribs &amp; drabs, on Y...]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn't see it either, when it was too late in the evening, for me to watch anything. But this afternoon, having read your remarks, we did get to see a bit of it, in dribs &amp; drabs, on YouTube, though we couldn't find the service, itself. The Royal family channel gave us the best chance of at least seeing the processions, &amp; <em>The Daily Telegraph</em> (UK) plus CNN supplied a bit more information. The processions were mainly soldiers &amp; sailors, with kilted pipe bands aplenty. There were three or four heralds outside St Giles, dressed up in cream-coloured breeches, white stockings &amp; surcoats patterned with the Royal arms, whilst bagpipes skirling loudly drowned out the "Not my king" cries, though there were plenty of other spectators. King Charles was wearing the sable robes of the Order of the Thistle, whilst both Queen Camilla &amp; the Prince of Wales wore green robes of the Order of the Thistle. The honours of Scotland were brought down by car, &amp; the sceptre &amp; sword was presented to Charles III, seemingly outside the Cathedral. I did get a glimpse of Charles III wearing the Scottish crown, but that was all. There was a mention in today's Dailies, but I think that we will have to wait to see better pictures. </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2023 21:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@varna I can&#039;t use my old account for BBC&#039;s     i-player, as it recognises my ISP is not UK. 
So I&#039;ll just have to see if our TV here is linking to it.]]></description>
                        <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@varna I can't use my old account for BBC's     i-player, as it recognises my ISP is not UK. </p>
<p>So I'll just have to see if our TV here is linking to it. </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Wed, 05 Jul 2023 13:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[&quot;You can watch coverage of the event live on BBC One&quot;
... if you have a TV Licence for BBC.]]></description>
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<p>... if you have a TV Licence for BBC.  {ym}:sad:  </p>]]></content:encoded>
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                        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Jul 2023 02:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[@Varnafinde: Wasn&#039;t St. Giles&#039; the church where the Queen&#039;s memorial service was held, before her coffin was brought to London?

Yes, you are right. They had a service there, in St Giles&#039; ...]]></description>
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<p><span>@Varnafinde: Wasn't St. Giles' the church where the Queen's memorial service was held, before her coffin was brought to London?</span></p>
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<p>Yes, you are right. They had a service there, in St Giles' Cathedral, also, and I think we saw it, on You Tube. There was music played for this occasion, which was like someone thinking aloud, &amp; it was very beautiful, indeed. I wish I could remember it, but I doubt I will ever hear it again. Our late Queen lay there for a few days before arriving in Westminster Hall, near to Westminster Abbey, when UK's Houses of Parliament are just across the square, near Whitehall. Ecclesiastes 3 was the text for the occasion. It, too, has been set to music. Mary Hopkins sang it in the 1960's, under The Beatles' Apple label, and another, more recent group also sang <em>"Turn, Turn, Turn"</em>. There is also a Westminster Cathedral, in London, not really far from Westminster Abbey. But this Cathedral is the Roman Catholic Cathedral, &amp; it is nowhere near as old as Westminster Abbey, which is Church of England, like St Paul's Cathedral, across the city, near the Gherkin, I think.  </p>
<p>I'd be interested to find out if that is the only time that the Scottish, in Edinburgh, have been involved in part of the mourning for a deceased monarch, since Queen Anne passed away in 1714. James, the 1st of England was also James VI of Scotland, uniting these two nations in 1603. He was followed by Charles 1st &amp; Charles II, neither of whom left London, whilst James II (or James VII of Scotland), passed away in France. When the rest of the Stuart line passed away, they, too, passed away in London.</p>
<p>By the way, there was also a mention in the articles I linked to, of what happened when Queen Elizabeth II became Queen Elizabeth 1st, Queen of Scots, because in Scotland the sovereign might have a different number to what is true of England. Charles III, himself, will not change. But the now Prince of Wales, Prince William, would be William V in England, but only William IV in Scotland. Neither William the Conqueror nor his successor, William II (Rufus), were ever kings of Scotland who at the time was ruled by Scotland's Dunkeld dynasty, when Malcolm III Canmore &amp; his wife, St Margaret of Scotland, were their monarchs. However, Scotland did have a king of their own called William the Lion. And William III (of Orange), &amp; the husband of Mary II of both England &amp; Scotland, in what was called the Dual Monarchy, was also the Stadtholder of the Dutch Republic.</p>
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<p><span>@Courtenay: Of course, I don't know what the strength of feeling is like in Scotland when it comes to the debate over monarchy vs republic... I get the impression that there may be proportionately more anti-monarchists in Scotland.</span></p>
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<p>Much of the push in Scotland seems to be for independence from England. There was a referendum in 2014, where the Queen suggested to a bystander at Crathie church, near Balmoral, to think carefully when casting her vote. That referendum was defeated, unlike the Brexit referendum, the following year. With Nicole Sturgeon as First Minister, a second independence vote has been on the cards, since.</p>
<p>In 2009, when we visited the place, I heard about the Orkneys wanting to become independent of Scotland, as well as faraway England, maybe with the hopes of becoming part of Norway, which is closer to them, linguistically as well, &amp; this morning, Monday, 3rd July, I heard the same thing to be happening on the news. </p>]]></content:encoded>
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