The Essential Hobbit: Translating the Book to Film - Reading Group: The Hobbit https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/ NarniaWeb Forum Discussion Board en-US Sat, 18 Apr 2026 00:48:51 +0000 wpForo 60 Re: The Essential Hobbit: Translating the Book to Film https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/paged/2/#post-251157 Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:46:00 +0000 It is always so much easier to discuss what they got wrong than what they should get right. Yes it easier. Several of my points became much more important to me when I saw hints in the trailers that they were not getting it right.
Fortunately enough of the book survived in the first movie to make me confident in the second and third.
You are much more optimistic than I am. :P Oh the main plot will be there in some form but I am not at all confident about the details. Obviously, they will go through Mirkwood, visit Beorn, pass through Dale, and such. But will there journey be made more "exciting" (in other words violent)? Very likely. Will we get Bilbo's sense of horror at the battle of the 5 armies? Or will he be Bilbo the warrior hobbit? The two things that bother me the most are personality changes in characters and added violence/action. I think it is really important that the characters and amount of action are true to the book.]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit Pattertwigs Pal https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/paged/2/#post-251157 Re: The Essential Hobbit: Translating the Book to Film https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-244465 Sat, 06 Jul 2013 14:46:10 +0000 Pattertwig's Pal, love the conversation between Bilbo and the elves of Rivendell in the middle of the night. I hope we get the homey feeling of Beorn's place. Also the strangeness, scariness, darkness, and the general unwelcome feeling of Mirkwood. I hope that there is some sort of information gathering by and from the birds in this film. I'm not sure how that will play out, but I'm hoping. Beorn and the eagles must appear at the battle of five armies. I'm not sure what else to put down. It is always so much easier to discuss what they got wrong than what they should get right. Fortunately enough of the book survived in the first movie to make me confident in the second and third.]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit Movie Aristotle https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-244465 Re: The Essential Hobbit: Translating the Book to Film https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-241805 Thu, 20 Jun 2013 20:51:54 +0000 Chapter 5: Finding the ring by accident, Gollum’s boat, Bilbo’s and Gollum’s conversation including the riddles word for word, Bilbo’s accidently getting the time riddle, Gollum’s running pass Bilbo when he is invisible, Bilbo’s overhearing Gollum describe what the ring can do, Bilbo’s leaping over Gollum, Bilbo’s having to get pass the goblins to escape, Bilbo’s losing his buttons and the Goblins picking them up. Chapter 6: Bilbo’s sneaking pass Balin, Gandalf and the dwarves’ arguing about what to do about Bilbo – word for word, Bilbo’s explanation – word for word, the company sliding down the rocks, Dori’s leaving Bilbo behind and having to get him and being almost gotten by a Warg, the eagles coming out of curiosity, Gandalf’s sending different colored burning pinecones at the Wargs, the goblins laughing, the goblins’ setting the company’s trees on fire and singing, Gandalf’s getting ready to jump, the eagles rescuing him, Bilbo’s having to grab Dori’s legs to be saved, Gandalf’s discussing with the Eagles how far they will take them, NO FIGHTING except for with pine cones. Chapter 7: The dwarves groaning and looking distressed that Gandalf is leaving (soon), Bilbo’s being carried across the ford, Bilbo’s confusion about what a skin changer is, large honey bees, The company’s coming slowly, Gandalf and Beorn’s conversation word for word, the dwarves must come in at the times indicated in the book, the animals’ waiting on Beorn and the visitors, the dwarves’ singing, Bofur tripping over Bilbo and waking him up, the bears dancing, Beorn’s loaning them ponies and keeping an eye on them, repeated warnings about not leaving the path Chapter 9: The dwarves’ sitting down and waiting to be captured. Bilbo’s putting on his ring and following behind, the dwarves’ being blindfolded, the king’s questioning the dwarves, the dwarves’ being put in different cells, Bilbo’s miseries and thoughts while in the Elvenking’s palace, Bilbo’s finding Thorin, the elves falling asleep, Bilbo’s freeing the dwarves, the argument word for word about Bilbo’s plan, Bilbo’s returning the keys, Bilbo’s packing the dwarves in the barrels (completely in the barrels), Thorin’s giving a lot of trouble, Balin’s complaining about air holes, the elves’ singing as they push the barrels into the river, Blibo’s having to grab the last barrel, Bilbo’s struggling to stay afloat and get on the barrel, Bilbo’s raiding and being given away by wet footprints and drips. Chapter 10 Lake-town on the lake, Bilbo’s freeing Thorin first and being cross with him, Thorin’s having a famished and savage look like a dog that has been chained and forgotten in a kennel for a week, only 6 dwarves being found by knocking, Dwalin’s and Balin’s being two of the most unhappy, Bifur and Bofu refusing to help, Fili’s and Kili’s being willing to help, Fili’s speech about the smell of apples, Bombur’s being asleep or sensless, the rest’s being waterlogged, half alive and having to be carried ashore, Thorin’s announcing himself both to the guard and the master, Fili’s interrupting, the song of the men of Lakeville, the people’s joy at seeing the dwarves, Bilbo’s cold and speeches “Thang you very bunch,” The Elvenking’s sending out spies after he hears of the happenings in Lake-town, Bilbo’s being unhappy Chapter 11: Balin’s and Bilbo’s bring up the rear each leading another pony, low spirits, a scouting expedition with Balin, Fili, Kili, and Bilbo, Bilbo’s having more spirits than the others, Fili, Kili, and Bilbo’s finding the doorstep, Bofur’s and Bombur’s being left behind to guard, using ropes to haul and lower supplies and dwarves, the thrush’s knocking, Bilbo’s understanding and calling the dwarves, the keyhole’s appearing, Thorin’s opening the door just in time Chapter 12: Fili’s and Kili’s looking uncomfortable, Balin’s coming part way, the climate change as Bilbo gets closer, the dwarves’ gratitude at Bilbo’s stealing the cup and later turning on him, Bilbo’s line “Every worm has his weak spot as my father used to say, though I am sure it was not from personal experience.” Smaug’s bring up transportation of gold, Bilbo’s worrying, Bilbo’s urging the dwarves inside Chapter 13: Bilbo’s going quietly, the dwarves’ puffing and shuffling, Bilbo’s falling into the treasure chamber, the dwarves’ reluctance to get a light / follow him, Bilbo’s dropping the torch, the dwarves having to come and find him (grumpy they were frightened for nothing), Balin’s being the first to volunteer, Fili’s and Kili’s playing harps, the dwarves’ arming themselves Chapter 14: The master’s escaping, the thrush’s telling Bard where to aim, Bard’s and the Master’s talking to the people, the people’s anger being directed at the Master until he redirects it at the dwarves, Bard’s being abandoned (or nearly abandoned), the black arrow, Bard’s helping out and the master doing nothing, the elves’ helping the people Chapter 15 The thrush and raven, Thorin’s sending messages, Bilbo’s longing to join in the mirth and feasting, the dwarves’ song, some of the younger dwarves’ wishing things were different and they could receive the folk as friends, Bard’s speech and Thorin’s answer Chapter 16: Bilbo’s and Bombur’s conversation, Bilbo’s slipping out, Bilbo’s falling in the river, snorting about being called a servant and sneezing, Bilbo’s speech (word for word) said in a business manner. Chapter 17: the conversation before the mountain word for word, Thorin’s holding Bilbo and threatening to throw him on to the rocks, “more than one of the dwarves” feeling shame and pity when Bilbo leaves, Dain’s arrival, the dwarves’ attacking and Gandalf’s pointing out the arriving goblins, the dwarves’ joining the others, Bilbo’s putting the ring on early on, Thorin and co.’s breaking out, all the dwarves and many men joining Thorin despite orders. Elves’ joining him too, Bilbo’s seeing the Eagles and calling out, Bilbo’s getting hit by a stone from above and getting knocked out Chapter 18: Bilbo’s calling to a man forgetting he has the ring on, Bilbo’s being carried down, Thorin’s apology to Blibo word-for-word, Bilbo’s words to Thorin word for word, Bilbo’s grief at Thorin’s death, the Eagles and Beorn’s coming and turning the battle, Beorn’s carrying Thorin, Beorn’s crushing and killing Bolg, The Elvenking returning Orcrist to Thorin’s grave, Thorin’s, Fili’s, and Kili’s dying, Bilbo’s taking only 2 small chests, Bilbo’s giving the Elvenking a necklace in return for the food (and what they both said word for word) Chapter 19: the elves’ songs, the exchange between Bilbo and the elves at Bilbo’s window, digging up the troll’s gold, Bilbo’s poem, Bilbo’s arriving in the middle of the auction, some hobbits’ needing a lot of convincing Bilbo is alive, the Sacksville-Baggins’ reaction, Dale’s being rebuilt, the master’s bad end, Bilbo’s and Gandalf’s closing conversation. In the book, Bilbo puts one the ring early on in the battle. Will the movie have him put on the ring? What do you think? ]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit Pattertwigs Pal https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-241805 Re: The Essential Hobbit: Translating the Book to Film https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-235209 Wed, 06 Feb 2013 04:12:13 +0000 Reading Group: The Hobbit DamselJillPole https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-235209 Re: The Essential Hobbit: Translating the Book to Film https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-233900 Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:53:20 +0000 ]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit Sheroo of Stormness Head https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-233900 Re: The Essential Hobbit: Translating the Book to Film https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-233164 Wed, 02 Jan 2013 03:01:09 +0000 Reading Group: The Hobbit DamselJillPole https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-233164 Re: The Essential Hobbit: Translating the Book to Film https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-232563 Wed, 26 Dec 2012 21:14:32 +0000 This post was written before I had seen the movie. Here's a list of things I especially want to be included. Of course I want all of the book but these are the most important. Somethings I left off because they are are main events so I'm sure they will be included. Chapter 1: The "good morning" conversation, the dwaves' songs (I was really disappointed at the lack of songs in LotR), the general distress of Bilbo, the conflict between Thorin and Gandalf over Bilbo. (Thorin's scorn). I'd like to see him him sitting off by himself nibbling at a biscuit because he lost his appetite, and Bilbo saying struck by lightening. Chapter 2: Gandalf's having to come and get Bilbo, Bilbo's worrying about a pocket handkerchief and Gandalf's bringing him some. I want Bilbo to leave without telling anyone* Bilbo to start to say burglar and end up being called a burrahobbit, the cook better than I cook line. The dwarfs being caught easily, excluding Thorin. Gandalf MUST save them by trickery and not by violence. Bilbo's not producing the key until they have tried a lot of ways to open the door. Chapter 3: this chapter is a bit tricky. I want the elves to sing and joke but I don't want it to be too jarring with the Rivendell we saw in LotR. Thorin and Gandalf should be a bit vexed that Elrond finds the moon letters. Chapter 4: Fili and Kili's being sent to look for shelter and not examining it carefully. Gandalf's examining it carefully. Bilbo's yelling surprisingly loud for his size, Dori and the other dwarfs carrying Bilbo. Chapter 5: Coming Chapter 6: Coming Chapter 7: Coming Chapter 8: black squirrels, the eyes, Fili, Kili, Oin and Gloin's pulling the boat and falling, Bombur's falling in the stream and falling asleep and having to be carried, the butterflies, the others trying to make Bombur believe all that had happened to them, Bilbo's songs, Balin's muttering about how Bilbo sneaked past him. *this will add credence to the idea that the hobbits felt justified in auctioning off his stuff. Yes I know there was a scene in the trailer where he tells someone. ]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit Pattertwigs Pal https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-232563 Re: The Essential Hobbit: Translating the Book to Film https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-228409 Fri, 09 Nov 2012 10:43:11 +0000 Reading Group: The Hobbit narnialuver https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-228409 Re: The Essential Hobbit: Translating the Book to Film https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-225923 Mon, 08 Oct 2012 13:21:35 +0000 Reading Group: The Hobbit Aslanisthebest https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-225923 Re: The Essential Hobbit: Translating the Book to Film https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-225911 Mon, 08 Oct 2012 10:59:59 +0000 Reading Group: The Hobbit Meltintalle https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/the-essential-hobbit-translating-the-book-to-film/#post-225911