Chapter 4 Over Hill and Under Hill - Reading Group: The Hobbit https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/ NarniaWeb Forum Discussion Board en-US Sun, 10 May 2026 03:14:35 +0000 wpForo 60 Re: Chapter 4 Over Hill and Under Hill https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-242415 Mon, 01 Jul 2013 05:25:37 +0000
Upon my second reading of this book I found that I had completely forgotten the Stone Giants from this chapter. Since they don't directly affect our heroes, I suppose that is an easy thing to do. Can anyone point me to references of their appearing in other Tolkien stories?
I missed it too or at least didn't remember it until it came up in discussion of the Hobbit Movies. According to my reference guide, the Stone Giants only appear in the Hobbit. The Stone Giants are never mentioned in LotR - but nothing in that book takes place in this area, so presumably this is the only area where you can find them. ;) It's funny how the movie picks up on what is just a mention in passing and changes it into an action scene - where they directly affect our heroes after all :p]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit Varnafinde https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-242415 Re: Chapter 4 Over Hill and Under Hill https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-230987 Fri, 07 Dec 2012 22:27:10 +0000 1. Tolkien made a point of saying that Fili and Kili couldn’t have taken a very thorough look at the cave. Gandalf did look around. Why do you think Tolkien included this information? I think he wanted to stress the importance of looking around. I also think it shows that even careful examination does not always show everything. It is interesting that the dwarves and Gandalf didn't post guards. Although the cave appeared safe it did have a visible door and they were in enemy territory.
Upon my second reading of this book I found that I had completely forgotten the Stone Giants from this chapter. Since they don't directly affect our heroes, I suppose that is an easy thing to do. Can anyone point me to references of their appearing in other Tolkien stories?
I missed it too or at least didn't remember it until it came up in discussion of the Hobbit Movies. According to my reference guide, the Stone Giants only appear in the Hobbit.]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit Pattertwigs Pal https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-230987 Re: Chapter 4 Over Hill and Under Hill https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-229509 Sat, 24 Nov 2012 12:37:34 +0000 I'm not sure how to answer the question about double-checking the cave. I'm inclined to agree with GlimGlum and ValiantArcher. The crack was so well hidden that there was no way anyone could have known it was there without being told about it. Yet, I think it is odd that Bilbo dreamed about the crack before anyone knew it existed. Was reality bleeding through to his subconscious or was some sort of a vision taking place? Upon my second reading of this book I found that I had completely forgotten the Stone Giants from this chapter. Since they don't directly affect our heroes, I suppose that is an easy thing to do. Since they act very much like the giants of Ettinsmoor in The Silver Chair may be another reason, but whatever the reason, I was surprised to learn of their existence in Middle-earth. Can anyone point me to references of their appearing in other Tolkien stories?]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit Movie Aristotle https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-229509 Re: Chapter 4 Over Hill and Under Hill https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-227756 Tue, 30 Oct 2012 23:00:11 +0000 I know, Glimmie, even though I knew they were lost, I was sad to read about the ponies. :( Ooh, yes, Mel. Poor Bombur! ;)) I loved how the goblins also sing. ;)) Such a common trait! It's quite fun, and their song is rather fitting. :)]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit ValiantArcher https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-227756 Re: Chapter 4 Over Hill and Under Hill https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-226900 Fri, 19 Oct 2012 16:41:55 +0000 ]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit Meltintalle https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-226900 Re: Chapter 4 Over Hill and Under Hill https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-226572 Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:57:26 +0000 But Gandalf again comes to the rescue just in time. B-) They have certainly needed him up to this point. :-$]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit GlimGlum https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-226572 Re: Chapter 4 Over Hill and Under Hill https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-226263 Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:40:32 +0000 1. Tolkien made a point of saying that Fili and Kili couldn’t have taken a very thorough look at the cave. Gandalf did look around. Why do you think Tolkien included this information? Because there could be something lurking in the cave. :P And there was. But they couldn't have known it because it was hidden behind the wall. :P ~Riella =:)]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit Ithilwen https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-226263 Chapter 4 Over Hill and Under Hill https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-3215 Sat, 13 Oct 2012 05:50:03 +0000 Reading Group: The Hobbit coracle https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/chapter-4-over-hill-and-under-hill/#post-3215