An Unexpected Journey: The Movie Version - Reading Group: The Hobbit https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/ NarniaWeb Forum Discussion Board en-US Sat, 18 Apr 2026 01:09:06 +0000 wpForo 60 Re: An Unexpected Journey: The Movie Version https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/4/#post-251155 Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:32:27 +0000 I’ve copied some of my “essentials” and then grouped them based on how the movie did with them. Yes/mostly: The "good morning" conversation, the dwaves' songs :D :D the general distress of Bilbo, the conflict between Thorin and Gandalf over Bilbo. I'd like to see him him sitting off by himself nibbling at a biscuit because he lost his appetite, Bilbo's worrying about a pocket handkerchief and Gandalf's bringing him some. Bilbo to start to say burglar and end up being called a burrahobbit (I think that was there …) the cook better than I cook line (once again I think that was in there) Bilbo’s and Gollum’s conversation including the riddles word for word, Bilbo’s overhearing Gollum describe what the ring can do Bilbo’s having to get pass the goblins to escape Bilbo’s losing his buttons and the Goblins picking them up (the first part happened but sadly not the second) Bilbo’s sneaking pass Balin Dori’s leaving Bilbo behind and having to get him and being almost gotten by a Warg Gandalf’s sending different colored burning pinecones at the Wargs Not included or done wrong Bilbo saying struck by lightening. Gandalf's having to come and get Bilbo I want Bilbo to leave without telling anyone The dwarfs being caught easily, excluding Thorin Gandalf MUST save them by trickery and not by violence. Bilbo's not producing the key until they have tried a lot of ways to open the door. I want the elves to sing and joke but I don't want it to be too jarring with the Rivendell we saw in LotR. Thorin and Gandalf should be a bit vexed that Elrond finds the moon letters. Gandalf's examining the shelter carefully. Bilbo's yelling surprisingly loud for his size, Dori and the other dwarfs carrying Bilbo. Finding the ring by accident, (He saw it fall) Bilbo’s accidently getting the time riddle, Gollum’s running pass Bilbo when he is invisible, , Bilbo’s leaping over Gollum, Gandalf and the dwarves’ arguing about what to do about Bilbo – word for word Bilbo’s explanation – word for word, the company sliding down the rocks, the eagles coming out of curiosity the goblins laughing, the goblins’ setting the company’s trees on fire and singing, Gandalf’s getting ready to jump, the eagles rescuing him, Bilbo’s having to grab Dori’s legs to be saved, (I think someone did hang on to Dori’s legs but I don’t remember who it was) Gandalf’s discussing with the Eagles how far they will take them, NO FIGHTING except for with pine cones. (I was very upset with the charge of Thorin, Bilbo, etc. Bilbo in particular should not have had anything to do with the fighting) And now some more thoughts. I was very disappointed that Bilbo started to abandon the dwarves. That is not in his character. I did not like that they added Azog (sp?). At first I really hated Radagast but now I’ve warm up to him a bit. I still don’t like the scene when he meets up with Gandalf but the early scenes aren’t as bad as I first thought. I was impressed with the way they did Thorin’s character. I was afraid that he would suffer a weakening of character like some leaders in the LotR movies. Thorin is every bit the leader and feels he deserves to be the leader. His stubbornness comes through clearly as well. I’m not saying that Thorin is necessarily an excellent leader. His stubbornness gets him and his followers into trouble. Bilbo’s character seems to be developing too quickly. In the book, he completely bungles the Troll incident. In the movie he is able to think fast enough to stall the trolls. In the book, he doesn’t do any fighting until the spiders and in the movie he has already fought with the orcs. ]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit Pattertwigs Pal https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/4/#post-251155 Re: An Unexpected Journey: The Movie Version https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/4/#post-248859 Thu, 01 Aug 2013 06:20:42 +0000 The Hobbit, and the sneaky way Gandalf introduces the dwarves quite entertaining.]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit waggawerewolf27 https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/4/#post-248859 Re: An Unexpected Journey: The Movie Version https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/4/#post-248809 Wed, 31 Jul 2013 23:11:37 +0000 There was a Northern king who challenged him in battle, and that was when he said that no man could kill him. I found it in the detailed appendices of LOTR. Either that Northern king or maybe another one, died of a morgul wound, and did have a funeral. I remember that. I think it was said about him, rather than him saying it about himself. *goes to look up the exact quote*
'But it is said that when all was lost suddenly the Witch-king himself appeared, black-robed and black-masked upon a black horse. Fear fell upon all who beheld him; but he singled out the Captain of Gondor for the fullness of his hatred, and with a terrible cry he rode straight upon him. Eärnur would have withstood him; but his horse could not endure that onset, and it swerved and bore him far away before he could master it. 'Then the Witch-king laughed, and none that heard it ever forgot the horror of that cry. But Glorfindel rode up then on his white horse, and in the midst of his laughter the Witch-king turned to flight and passed into the shadows. For night came down on the battlefield, and he was lost, and none saw whither he went. 'Eärnur now rode back, but Glorfindel, looking into the gathering dark, said: "Do not pursue him! He will not return to this land. Far off yet is his doom, and not by the hand of man will he fall." Appendix A, I (iv) Gondor and the heirs of Anarion
So Glorfindel, one of the Elf-lords of Rivendell, had the gift of foresight and said it about the Witch-king. Ëarnur was the king of Gondor, actually, but there had been a Northern king, Arveleg, who had been killed in a battle against the Witch-king some years earlier. I think many of these stories were mixed together over time in the non-scholarly history-telling, and thus the story of a mortal king who died from a morgul wound got attributed to the Witch-king, who needed that story for his own purposes.]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit Varnafinde https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/4/#post-248809 Re: An Unexpected Journey: The Movie Version https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/4/#post-248776 Wed, 31 Jul 2013 18:07:03 +0000 man could kill him. I found it in the detailed appendices of LOTR. Either that Northern king or maybe another one, died of a morgul wound, and did have a funeral. It is a while since I have read LOTR, so I really need to go back and look again.]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit waggawerewolf27 https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/4/#post-248776 Re: An Unexpected Journey: The Movie Version https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/4/#post-248595 Tue, 30 Jul 2013 00:17:03 +0000 About the Witch King of Angmar, do you think he really died and was buried deep or was this something he staged, himself, at the point he finally realised he was getting a bit stretched and less visible to his men, without his armour? He staged it himself - now that finally makes sense. ;) He didn't really die and be buried, the whole point is that he was in an undead state, he was bound to the power of his ring and the power of Sauron. He couldn't die and ordinary weapons couldn't kill him - but only because ordinary life had been sucked out of him, NOT because he had been "resurrected" in any way. Any hinting of that in the movie just shows lack of understanding of the book. But it might well be in his interest to have people think so! Yes, it makes sense that he staged it, to make it easier to explain the changes that were happening to his body. And the longer time that passed since his staging it, the more it would be covered in the mist of legend, and the more people would believe that this is what actually happened. Apart from those who knew about Sauron and his vices, of course.]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit Varnafinde https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/4/#post-248595 Re: An Unexpected Journey: The Movie Version https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/3/#post-248432 Sun, 28 Jul 2013 19:55:51 +0000 After three viewings, I've found that I've seen enough scenes of people almost falling down from swaying rocks/bridges/ropes - been there done that, I don't need another, thank you very much. Quite so, I agree that in the LOTR films it was spectacular viewing but is getting a bit hackneyed, isn't it? You find so many over the top (or is it under the bottom?) obstacle courses in everything from Indiana Jones to Pirates of the Caribbean films. Why make villainous antagonists slipshod builders as well as evil? 8-| About the Witch King of Angmar, do you think he really died and was buried deep or was this something he staged, himself, at the point he finally realised he was getting a bit stretched and less visible to his men, without his armour?]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit waggawerewolf27 https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/3/#post-248432 Re: An Unexpected Journey: The Movie Version https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/3/#post-247396 Sat, 20 Jul 2013 15:46:24 +0000 Good morning scene between Gandalf and Bilbo - almost (or perhaps completely) verbatim from the book, and very well played. And the Riddles in the Dark between Bilbo and Gollum - brilliant. Andy Serkis and Martin Freeman both perform great acting. Martin Freeman gives us a better Bilbo than the Frodo we were given in the LotR - probably because he has a lot more experience as an actor than Elijah Wood had at the time. But also because he was given more scope for acting - more time to develop a scene, as I especially noticed in the Good morning scene. So although there are things I hope would be done differently in the next part, I still look very much forward to it.]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit Varnafinde https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/3/#post-247396 Re: An Unexpected Journey: The Movie Version https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/3/#post-246761 Wed, 17 Jul 2013 06:17:16 +0000 Desolation of Smaug finishes? Or what the third part of the Hobbit starts and ends?]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit waggawerewolf27 https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/3/#post-246761 Re: An Unexpected Journey: The Movie Version https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/3/#post-243490 Wed, 03 Jul 2013 13:42:09 +0000 Reading Group: The Hobbit Dinode https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/3/#post-243490 Re: An Unexpected Journey: The Movie Version https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/3/#post-243352 Wed, 03 Jul 2013 07:08:19 +0000 The main thing I didn't like was how ugly the goblin king was. I mean, he was just...well, ugly. I rather liked the Goblin King, played by Barry Humphreys, precisely because the make-up artists made him so horribly ugly-looking. I couldn't think of a better actor to play the Goblin King in An Unexpected Journey. Barry Humphreys is the sort of actor who really does well with comically gruesome characters, such as you find in yearly pantomimes. One example would be Cinderella's ugly step mother, and another is his own invention, Edna Everidge, the mock 'average' housewife from Mooney Ponds, who likes gladiolis, iced vo-vo's and making fun of everywhere else in Australia as well as elsewhere in the world, whilst calling fellow Melburnians possums. Apparently Queen Elizabeth II of UK made this character an actual Dame, so now the character is called Dame Edna Everidge. :-o I'm ever so glad that the Goblin King managed not to call either the hobbits or the goblins, possums, which would have really sent me into fits of laughter. But I don't remember seeing the Goblin King in the Hobbit as being at all comical.]]> Reading Group: The Hobbit waggawerewolf27 https://community.narniaweb.com/community/reading-group-the-hobbit/an-unexpected-journey-the-movie-version/paged/3/#post-243352